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Justincase
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Initially Posted - 05/07/2010 : 09:36:46

My lifelines look to be in good shape but the coating is yellowing a bit and the coating is damaged in a few places. Can I just cut/peel off the coating or does it serve some other function except trapping moisture?

Justincase
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 05/07/2010 : 10:37:42

most new boats are going to uncoated lifelines. Even some race boats are going to dynema (rope) lifelines. The advantage to no coating is you can see rust and broken strands.

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 05/07/2010 : 13:58:49

Maybe I don't want to know!

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glen
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Response Posted - 05/11/2010 : 12:00:15

I took off the coating years ago. Big improvement little effort.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 05/11/2010 : 12:42:01

Hmm, mine's cracked everywhere. Maybe removing the coating would be an aesthetic improvement.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 05/13/2010 : 06:21:44

The dynema would be a really cost effective replacement...it gets you away from swagged fittings...just a few tidy bowlines and you're done...we need to replace our lifelines as the fittings are showing some cracks...I LIKE IT...

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glen
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Response Posted - 05/13/2010 : 07:12:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jerlim
 The dynema would be a really cost effective replacement...it gets you away from swagged fittings...just a few tidy bowlines and you're done...we need to replace our lifelines as the fittings are showing some cracks...I LIKE IT...

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I wonder if barbed wire would prevent the birds from visiting

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unclaimed baggage
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Response Posted - 05/13/2010 : 07:57:34

I have found the best way to keep the birds off is to toss bird seed on the power boats at the other end of the marina.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 05/13/2010 : 08:55:38

In terms of birds...we hang a CD disc from the boom, just about over the companionway, about 8" below the boom...the motion and reflection keeps all birds away...neighbors have plastic owls, etc...nothing works as well as the CDs

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 05/13/2010 : 09:07:45

I thought about changing, butI think WM recommends replacing Dyneema lifelines every 3 years d/t UV deterioration.

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Justincase
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Response Posted - 05/13/2010 : 10:24:47

I tried cutting a few section with a razor knife, it came off in small scallops not like i was hoping (cut once then peel). This might be a bigger job than I had planned. Glen how did you remove the coating on yours?

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 05/13/2010 : 10:35:58

I'm thinking that 8mm will do fine, it's about $1.00/ft, not even on sale...not too bad...

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 05/13/2010 : 16:39:05

dynema is now available with new, UV protectant outer fibers. I'd go with that. Much cheaper, lighter, and if it lasts 5 years its all good.

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glen
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Response Posted - 05/14/2010 : 05:56:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Justincase
 I tried cutting a few section with a razor knife, it came off in small scallops not like i was hoping (cut once then peel). This might be a bigger job than I had planned. Glen how did you remove the coating on yours?
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I gently used the side of the blade in a razor knife to slice. I did not use the point of the knife at all. Draw the knife so it glides along the top of the life line, and it should slice the top portion of the coating off. I did not angle the blade so that it was trying to cut into the stainless, so the blade had no affect on the wire. The entire job took me about 30 minutes.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/17/2012 : 11:44:16

I also just tried slicing a razor blade down the lifeline. I couldn't get the blade to go to the wire without having to use a sawing motion. The coating was just too hard and thick. There's got to be an easy way to skin it....

Seriously thinking about going with the Amsteel Blue rope. (which is gray)

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 02/17/2012 : 12:07:56

I wonder if a [url="http://www.harborfreight.com/130-watt-heavy-duty-hot-knife-66182.html"]hot knife [/URL]would work. [URL="http://www.ebay.com/itm/Styro-FOAM-CUTTER-HOT-WIRE-Battery-Operated-Floral-Crafts-Train-Hobby-Tool-New-/170720175137"]Or even something like a foam cutter.[/URL]

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 02/17/2012 : 12:15:36

What size line were you considering? What breaking strength?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Dyneema-Synthetic-Winch-Rope-3MM-150Meter-Free-Shipping-Worldwide-/120862037509?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item1c23f05605

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FSE-Ocean-3000-3-16-Dyneema-75-Core-Mateial-/370551278187?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&vxp=mtr&hash=item564693ca6b

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islander
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Response Posted - 02/17/2012 : 12:28:34

I was hesitant about cutting the covering off so I used one of those Magic Erasers, Did a beautiful job of getting rid if the discoloration and rust stains and was quick and easy. It won't fix the cracking but I only have a few of them.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/17/2012 : 12:55:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimGo
 I wonder if a [url="http://www.harborfreight.com/130-watt-heavy-duty-hot-knife-66182.html"]hot knife [/URL]would work. [URL="http://www.ebay.com/itm/Styro-FOAM-CUTTER-HOT-WIRE-Battery-Operated-Floral-Crafts-Train-Hobby-Tool-New-/170720175137"]Or even something like a foam cutter.[/URL]

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That hot knife seems like an excellent idea. The other one would be too flimpsy.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/17/2012 : 12:57:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 I was hesitant about cutting the covering off so I used one of those Magic Erasers, Did a beautiful job of getting rid if the discoloration and rust stains and was quick and easy. It won't fix the cracking but I only have a few of them.
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I've got tons of cracking. Like I said, the coating is hard, so any flexing tends to put another crack in the line. The wire itself is fine though.

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Response Posted - 02/17/2012 : 16:49:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NautiC25
 ..The wire itself is fine though.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...at least the part you can see...

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 02/17/2012 : 19:12:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Seriously thinking about going with the Amsteel Blue rope. (which is gray)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Amsteel Blue is another brand of Dyneema. Dyneema doesn't like knots, sharp bends or abrasion. A single braid like Blue with no cover would not serve well for lifelines, and splices or lashings with thimbles would would serve much better than bowlines.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 02/17/2012 : 21:06:18

I bought new lifelines with modern pelican hooks. Once every 25 years seems reasonable to me.

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Justincase
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Response Posted - 02/18/2012 : 07:47:58

Since this topic has been resurrected I figured I should post an update. I found the best method was to use a brand new razor blade(the ones that are about 4in long and you can break off little sections to keep the blade sharp) Using only the blade, I taped both ends and used it like a draw knife. It was tricky to get the blade angle just right, too shallow and I'd cut little scallops or to steep and it would go nowhere. In about an hour I had most of them stripped. There were patches of rust under the coatings so I rubbed them down with a stainless polish and they sparkled like a new penny. They really make the boat look nicer!

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Kim Luckner
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Response Posted - 02/18/2012 : 09:07:31

I was planning on replacing the coverings this spring with something like this http://www.westmarine.com/buy/products/2101-snap-cable-covers.html.

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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 02/18/2012 : 15:43:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Kim Luckner
 I was planning on replacing the coverings this spring with something like this http://www.westmarine.com/buy/products/2101-snap-cable-covers.html.
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I am going to use this option on the life lines however...
I had them on my shrouds and when I pulled them off was appalled by the accumulated salt and corrosion.

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