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dave andersen
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Initially Posted - 03/16/2010 : 16:03:28

What should the ballpark size be for a smallish jib. Foot? Luff?

I want to go out in 15 to 20 kt winds and not have to keep fighting the boat rounding up with my 135.

Anyone know of a good source of used jibs for a retired sailor on a budget?

Many thanks, Raven on Whidbey Island, WA

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 03/16/2010 : 16:18:51

Dave,
I recently (like last two days or so) saw a guy on Seattle Craigslist selling two storm jibs. I'll try to find the ad when I get home tonight & get it to you in this thread. I don't recall what he wanted for them.

We purchased a 70% jib for SL to deal with the blustery days (like today) out on Puget Sound. I think it was about $200, but don't exactly recall.

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mlg3733
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Response Posted - 03/16/2010 : 17:26:32

Check out Porpoise sailing in Florida for new and used headsails. he'll be the first to tell you that nonfurling sails don't sell easily, his prices are good

http://www.porpoisesailing.com/products.asp

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 03/16/2010 : 17:32:33

15 to 20 knots (standard rig) and want a smooth easy ride all you need is a flattened main, traveller down, and fly your 110% jib.

If its gusting higher, put in the 1st reef. Move jib cars back.

A 110 would have a luff of about 30 to 31 feet. A foot of about 10.5 feet (standard rig).

My 60% storm jib is for much higher winds and assuming the main is double reefed.

That has a luff of about 20 feet, a tack pendant of about 5 feet, and a foot of about 6 feet. Also a storm jib should be very heavy material - at least 7 oz. Many are colored bright orange (mine is white). Seams triple stiched (mine is double stiched).

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 03/17/2010 : 06:26:58

These 2 stores have large inventories of used sails:
[url="http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/"]Minney's[/url] and [url="http://www.baconsails.com/"]Bacon & Associates[/url]

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redeye
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Response Posted - 03/17/2010 : 06:34:43

http://www.usedsails.com/

Atlantic Sail Traders. I just called them on the phone and described what I wanted and they helped me out pretty quick.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 03/17/2010 : 07:08:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dave andersen
 What should the ballpark size be for a smallish jib. Foot? Luff?

I want to go out in 15 to 20 kt winds and not have to keep fighting the boat rounding up with my 135.

Anyone know of a good source of used jibs for a retired sailor on a budget?

Many thanks, Raven on Whidbey Island, WA

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Another option is to run your 135 alone, less heel and in that wind you should get up to hull speed pretty quick.

I have some hank on sails I guess I can go ahead and sell, but I'm not sure their exact size or condition. I've gone with a 135 roller furling and my typical new strategy when it's huffing like that is to roll out the head sail first, and then decide if I want to put up the main. I've said it before and I'll say it again, installing roller furling was the best decision I could have made. It's made the Admiral real happy that by the time we hit the dock, the boat is packed up and we are ready to go. I'm still competitive racing as well as long as I can roll it all the way out.

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hinmo
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Response Posted - 03/17/2010 : 23:34:13

I run a 110 on a cdi furler. Its all I ever need for Buzzards Bay, Ma. Constant 15-20 kt winds. Bought the furler and Molly Tasker sail from Nationalsail.com

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 03/18/2010 : 09:44:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by hinmo
 I run a 110 on a cdi furler. Its all I ever need for Buzzards Bay, Ma. Constant 15-20 kt winds. Bought the furler and Molly Tasker sail from Nationalsail.com
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That's some great sailing there, I went to Tabor.

As for me here in North Texas the wind is seasonal. Right now it's 12 to 20 knts daily but after fathers day the wind pretty much goes away for the summer. I'm afraid I won't have enough sail with the 135.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 03/20/2010 : 20:44:41

Dave, found this just now on CL: http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/boa/1653654401.html.

Not sure it'll work, but it's worth a call.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 03/21/2010 : 09:49:40

Peter,

What furler did you buy and did you install it yourself or have someone do it for you? Where did you buy it?

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 03/22/2010 : 13:57:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 Peter,

What furler did you buy and did you install it yourself or have someone do it for you? Where did you buy it?
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I have a CDI 4/6 that was with the boat when I bought it, still in the box and never installed. When they had to un step my mast to do the bottom job I had them install the furler as well.

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Randall
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Response Posted - 03/22/2010 : 17:18:42

My C25 came with a storm jib that I never used. I recently put it aboard my Hunter 25 because I figured it would work fine on it, but still haven't hoisted it on that boat either. I found that when the wind pipes up, my H25 barely moves under the main alone, but absolutely comes alive under the working jib.

I can get you dimensions for the storm jib if you like. As I mentioned, it came with the C25 TR, so I assume it was cut for the boat.

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Randall
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Response Posted - 03/22/2010 : 17:32:39

Man, I guess there's something wrong with me, but I HATE roller furlers! I just took the CDI off of my Hunter 25 and went back to hank ons. I find it just as easy to use a down-haul to douse the jib, and then stow it in a jib bag. The five 19'-26' sailboats I owned prior to the H25 had hank-ons, and I expected to love the roller furler that came on my H25. Instead, I hated it from day one because it was so hard to roll up. After I removed it, I figured out why. The PO had cut it an inch or two too long so that they couldn't properly retune the rigging and had to leave it with too much rake aft. As a result, the forestay had a deep catenary in it, which made the furler difficult to roll up in a stiff breeze.

Regardless, I don't regret removing it. I like the flexibility of hank ons. Used CDI furler, anyone?

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hinmo
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Response Posted - 03/22/2010 : 17:57:40

love mine, couldnt live w/o it

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/22/2010 : 19:11:12

Dave, getting back to your 15-20... Have you tried your 135 alone? That puts a lot more sail area down low for less heel and more efficiency. With the cars back, the lower part is flattened and the top twists off a little. You won't round up because (1) your rudder stays in the water, and (2) the helm will probably be just about neutral. (A 110 alone might create some lee helm.) My roller-130 was great on blustery, gusty, white-cap days! ("Pull one string and you're sailing, pull the other and you're buttoned up.")

Randall--you "hated" your improperly installed furler. You haven't tried ours.

But if you like unbagging, hanking on, dousing on the deck and overboard, unhanking, folding, bagging... more power!

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NCBrew
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Response Posted - 03/23/2010 : 05:36:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Used CDI furler, anyone?
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Which model CDI do you have and will it fit a Catalina 25 standard rig. How much do you want for it and can you ship it?

NCBrew

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Randall
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Response Posted - 03/23/2010 : 14:25:08

I'll have to check what model it is when I go home this weekend, and measure the length.

As for price, I really don't care. Once I finally freed my boat from the furler's evil grasp, my wife and I wrestled it into a 6' coil, and bound it up using duct tape. Then I found it wouldn't fit in the back of my truck (6' bed), so I leaned it up against a storage building at the marina (in an obvious place) and hoped it would just disappear. Two months later it was still there, so I picked it up with my other truck (8' bed) and took it home. Now it lies stretched out in the bushes near my house like some vile, giant serpent. I just want the long nightmare to end! I want it gone!

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NCBrew
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Response Posted - 03/27/2010 : 06:51:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Randall
 I'll have to check what model it is when I go home this weekend, and measure the length.

As for price, I really don't care. Once I finally freed my boat from the furler's evil grasp, my wife and I wrestled it into a 6' coil, and bound it up using duct tape. Then I found it wouldn't fit in the back of my truck (6' bed), so I leaned it up against a storage building at the marina (in an obvious place) and hoped it would just disappear. Two months later it was still there, so I picked it up with my other truck (8' bed) and took it home. Now it lies stretched out in the bushes near my house like some vile, giant serpent. I just want the long nightmare to end! I want it gone!
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I tried to e-mail you but it came back as not able to deliver. Do you have an e-mail address I can contact you.

I would like to try a roller furling but I fear the expense. Do I have to buy a new set of head sails?. Can a sail maker change the hank-ons to roller furling?

NCBrew-Retired US Navy (Fixed budget)

Gov says there was no cost of living increase this past year. I wonder where they buy groceries and electric?

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 03/27/2010 : 10:18:28

Patrick, most hank-on jibs can be modified by a sailmaker to fit a furler. The CDI furler is very appropriate for our boats. I put one on "Chance" about five years ago, and my only regret is that I didn't do it sooner.

At the risk of re-opening an exhausted debate, ask the sailmaker if he can add a foam luff when the sail's remade. The foam luff helps the jib hold its shape better when partially furled.

Edited by - Even Chance on 03/27/2010 10:23:08

Renzo
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Response Posted - 03/27/2010 : 14:19:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I like the flexibility of hank ons.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">But if you like unbagging, hanking on, dousing on the deck and overboard, unhanking, folding, bagging... more power!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Different strokes.
Some people like to go hiking in the woods with a backpack. Others wouldn't think of going off road without 4 wheel drive.
For my money the hiker has more fun. But that's just me.

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 03/27/2010 : 16:19:11

Damning roller furling because you have one that's improperly installed and not working properly is . . . interesting. Roller furlers aren't the Kingdom come in fullness and power -- you can sail closer to the wind with hank-ons, among other things. But the ease of deploying and stowing, along with the ability to widely adjust the sail size to meet the wind conditions is pretty wonderful.

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dave andersen
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Response Posted - 03/28/2010 : 08:34:49

I finally bought a used jib from Minnie's in Costa Mesa Ca. 195.00 very good condition. Hank on. Thanks for all the commentary

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/28/2010 : 08:59:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Even Chance
 Damning roller furling because you have one that's improperly installed and not working properly is . . . interesting. Roller furlers aren't the Kingdom come in fullness and power -- you can sail closer to the wind with hank-ons, among other things. But the ease of deploying and stowing, along with the ability to widely adjust the sail size to meet the wind conditions is pretty wonderful.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I couldn't agree more. When you're in open waters and exposed, and the wind is building, you can tuck in your second reef, and you'll be ready for almost anything. As the wind builds, you can progressively roll up a little more jib to keep the boat under control. That's highly preferable to crawling out on a rocking and rolling foredeck to take down or change the headsail.

Hank-on sails are fine on a small inland lake, where you can take all sails down, start your motor and head for your nearby marina when bad weather comes, but a roller furler is a joy on bigger waters, where you have to sail awhile through bad weather, until you can find a place to shelter.

I always had hank-ons while sailing on a small inland lake, and loved them, but, now that I'm sailing the Chez, I wouldn't do without the furler.

If racing is your passion, you can rig your boat so you can fly your cruising jibs from the furler, and you can fly your deck-sweeping racing jibs from a different tack point, running the sail up in the furler's foil. That way, you get the best of both worlds.

Edited by - Steve Milby on 03/28/2010 09:14:10

GaryB
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Response Posted - 03/28/2010 : 09:26:14

If it turns out to be a CDI FF4 with all of the pieces and IF NCBrew doesn't want it (he gets first dibs) I'll come pick it up next weekend if we can agree on a price.

Let us know what you have and let NCBrew have first shot at it.

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NCBrew
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Response Posted - 03/28/2010 : 19:11:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Randall
Used CDI furler, anyone?
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Randall:
I would like to buy the CDI. Call me at 252-426-1095 or reply to this post with your number or e-mail me at amsoil@embarqmail.com and we can come up with a price.

NCBrew

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