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Jan Briede
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Initially Posted - 01/19/2010 : 10:01:56

Ok, someone swiped the rudder of my boat over the Christmas Holidays.
Looking on line, it seems that this will put me back approximately $700.
Is there an alternative place where I can get one?

Jan Briede
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Ed Cassidy
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Response Posted - 01/19/2010 : 10:15:27

Look at the 'Possible Fraud' posting. There is a c25 being parted out that had a rudder.
Good luck.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 01/19/2010 : 13:45:29

http://charleston.craigslist.org/boa/1558296804.html

I'll let everyone know how my parts order with this guy works out.

If you want to call him - his first name is Justin.

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Ed Cassidy
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Response Posted - 01/19/2010 : 14:22:50

I just spoke with Justin. He thinks the boat is sold but he doesn't have the cash in hand yet. If it is sold in the morning he will remove the CL ad tomorrow.

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Tom Gauntt
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Response Posted - 01/20/2010 : 20:05:49

Jan,

I actually built a new rudder from scratch using the plans in the tech section. I still have the old rudder and you are welcome to it, but it is in pretty bad shape. It's the original rudder and it looks like the core soaked up water and split along the seam. There is also a noticable twist in the rudder as well. I'm just up the road on Kent Island, MD. Let me know if you want to tackle building your own. I learned a lot building mine.

Here's the page from my little website about building a rudder:
http://www.littleboatlil.com/iWeb/Lil/Rudder%20Redux.html

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panhead1948
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Response Posted - 01/20/2010 : 22:47:08

I have a non-blanced rudder from a 84 FK SR. If you are interested KJ

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 01/21/2010 : 05:39:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tom Gauntt
 Jan,
It's the original rudder and it looks like the core soaked up water and split along the seam.
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Is it possible to fix this condition. Mine is like that.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 01/21/2010 : 07:44:09

Nice Work Tom!

Paul

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 01/21/2010 : 08:33:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NautiC25
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tom Gauntt
 Jan,
It's the original rudder and it looks like the core soaked up water and split along the seam.
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Is it possible to fix this condition. Mine is like that.
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It depends on how badly it's damaged. I made mine last another 10 years by repairing it. In the meanwhile, I kept my eye open for a used rudder on our swap meet, and found one for $100. Then I used the "new" one, and kept my old one for a spare.

First, you have to completely dry out the old one. Drill a few rather deep holes along the crack, and store it all winter in a warm, dry place. (I put mine next to the furnace.) Then you have to fill it with epoxy. West Systems epoxy is often used, or "Git Rot" is also a good product. The epoxy will fill the voids inside. You might have to pour it in, let it set up, and pour it in again, because it might continue to drain into the voids for a couple of applications.

If you're lucky, it'll last awhile, but there's no way of knowing for sure how long it'll last. It could snap off the first time you get in heavy weather. I was lucky, and it took a beating and never failed completely, although it did continue to deteriorate gradually.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 01/21/2010 : 09:43:33

Tom - I have workshop envy!!

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 01/21/2010 : 11:24:23

You might consider soaking your voids with [url="http://www.rotdoctor.com/products/cpes.html"]CPES[/url] before using West Systems to fill them. I've been impressed with it. It's not cheap, but it works really well. It's also formulated from wood so it's more flexible than regular epoxy, and you want some flex in your rudder.

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islander
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Response Posted - 01/21/2010 : 11:27:00

Tom, Norm Abrams called, wants to borrow a tool....

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Tom Gauntt
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Response Posted - 01/21/2010 : 12:27:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is it possible to fix this condition. Mine is like that.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I think it's possible to fix almost anything, the problem is, when is it no longer worth the effort? That's the point I reached with my old rudder. I researched all the ways possible to fix the old one, but it was going to be a lot of work to fix a questionable part. Would it last another year or two or just another week or two? Loosing the rudder underway isn't something I want to be test pilot on, so I looked at new ones and used ones. I finaly decided to build my own because: new rudders are expensive, old rudders probably have problems, I like working with wood, I have a place to work with a good selection of tools, and it was winter and too cold to do much outside anyway. It was an enjoyable project and I got a lot of satisfaction from it, but it took a lot of time. Just factoring in parts and materials, it probably cost me half what an Idasailor rudder would've cost. If I factor in time, well it would be much cheaper to buy a new one. If you have time and are looking for a project, this is a good one. I must say I really like the "balanced" design over the original design... it's like power steering.

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Jan Briede
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Response Posted - 01/21/2010 : 14:52:31

Tom, you did a masterful job there! Great job ... I would not mind tackling something like that were it not that I have a whole boat to restore.
Considering our friend Justin, I was actually for work in Charleston SC when I saw that posting and he is in Charleston, so I thought win - win. Well, Justin did not like hearing I was in C-ston, and tried to get off the phone in a hurry. Definitively something fishy there! Thanks everyone for replying.

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