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Ed Cassidy
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Initially Posted - 12/03/2009 : 17:17:09

I couldn't believe this.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Four-people-rescued-from-dangerous-waters/wHh2sof81k63jLLw1v_ifA.cspx

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 12/03/2009 : 17:34:23

What an egit.

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 12/03/2009 : 19:52:30

Unreal
Here is another account of a capsize that took place over the Thanksgiving weekend at the entrance to Mission Bay in San Diego. I have sailed in and out of that entrance and you take a deep breath when you see the size of some of those swells that come into the bay. This is JimB's home port where he sailed 1500 miles in the past year in a C-25. Just in case anyone wondered just how good a sailor Jim really is. Jim thinks it fun to surf these swells back in! Geez!

[url="http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/washington-state-fishing/169787-may-save-your-life-real-story-about-defiance-capsizing.html"]Capsized![/url]

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 12/04/2009 : 12:09:49

I saw the Mission Bay capsize on the news the morning it happened. It was during a large storm. Giant waves, big winds, huge, rough seas. There is no way I would have been out in that. I would never have left the Bay. I well know from expereince that you can't enter or leave Mission bay if the swells are over 8 feet.

That said, the very next day I was out surfing the 6 footers back into the bay in 15 knots of wind with my 155 and full main. It was a hoot of fun but a little too much for my guests Henk and Johanna.

After clearing the harbor mouth and nearly rounding up, we turned back when it was safe, surfed in, and sailed the rest of the day inside (with the flattening reef in).

Of course I had come in just to get them after sailing 4 hours and about 15 miles already that day!

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Response Posted - 12/04/2009 : 12:13:24

I should mention that it was on TV in the first place because the Saturday morning reporter was down there to cover the giant waves and big storm hitting the pier.

When the boat capsized you could see kite surfers out rippin it up.

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 12/04/2009 : 17:31:36

I usually use kite surfers as a guide to whether I go out. From my slip, I can see a park called Silver Sands (in Milford, CT), where they typically hang out.

If I see a couple of guys just hanging out about 200 feet up, then I know winds are strong, but steady. I can accommodate that.

But if I see them popping up and down, I know it's puffy. That's when I think twice about going out.

But I don't think I'll be sailing out to Jamaica any time soon, mon!

Edited by - Voyager on 12/04/2009 17:32:07

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Response Posted - 12/04/2009 : 18:57:31

Ok, let's get this one straight.

Aboard An 18' sailboat
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The boaters aboard the Cielo safely navigated their way to Titusville, Fla., before becoming disabled and attempting a return to Mayport.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Rough reckoning: Mayport to Titusville is about 150nm

Miami to Jamaica: 810 miles. SOUTH OF CUBA!

I think Idiots would be offended to be referenced to these folks.

Paul

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 12/04/2009 : 20:12:09

So, you mean to tell me that this group of folks had already sailed some 150 miles before they got hosed up? For me, that's about 3-4 days sail. This is quite an accomplishment in and of itself. But without food and water, what were they thinking?

Indeed, I had recalled that there was some big old island out there between FLA and Jamaica - full of some Communistas who aren't terribly receptive to American-skis showing up on their shores (some 90 miles out across the Gulf Stream).

Go figure.

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 12/04/2009 : 20:41:48

I need to add some clarification. In know way did I mean to compare Jim to these mental midgets in Florida. I have sailed with Jim alongside and as part of crew for hundreds of miles and he is the epitome of safety. I apologize to Jim if my previous post suggested otherwise. We all learn to sail within the limitations of our venues. Jim is a master of his.

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zeil
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Response Posted - 12/04/2009 : 21:43:49

Excerpt from "Someday Lady", log: Sunday, Nov. 29th, '09 Up early, took a shower and before breakfast raised the jib to dry out from all the rain we had the previous evening and night. The weather after yesterday's storm and some morning clouds turned sunny and is warming up again. After breakfast and attending a local church service we returned to the boat. Jim Baumgart invited us to go sailing with him on his C25. Jim had been out all morning and motored back D dock to take us along. Shortly after leaving the slip the main sail and 150 Genoa were raised which, given the wind conditions, was according to Jim a little too much sail which proved to be the case as we sailed out of the mouth of Mission's Bay harbor where still considerable seas were running from yesterdays high winds. Sailing with a 150 Genoa is exhilarating as the boat surged through the 4 to 6 feet swells healing well over 30 degrees reaching at times 7.5 kn. Later jibing between large waves back to the harbor mouth we felt the boat accelerate even more as we surfed down slopes of several large waves. Even Johanna thrilled by the performance and seamanship of Jim handling his C25 enjoyed, for her, this “extreme”, sailing experience and was perhaps a little out of her comfort zone. Sailing past the marina we met much calmer conditions in Sail Bay which is part of Mission Bay. Returning just before sunset we tied up in Jim's slip on L dock happy to have spent a wonderful afternoon on the water in company of a great guy. And yes... Jim when you sail it seems you and your boat have an understanding!! Thank you for taking us along.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 12/05/2009 : 01:16:59

I think as old as Indisciple is and the miles Jim has put on her, I think she must be made of iron. God knows Jim is too!

I think her name says it all, "Lack of Restraint". Both are one of a kind. And I mean this with only heartfelt feelings.
Steve A

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Response Posted - 12/05/2009 : 01:26:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by piseas
 I think as old as Indisciple is and the miles Jim has put on her, I think she must be made of iron. God knows Jim is too!

I think her name says it all, "Lack of Restraint". Both are one of a kind. And I mean this with only heartfelt feelings. And both are masters of their environment. I hope one day to sail with Jim. My luck there will be no wind that day.
Steve A
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 12/05/2009 : 09:14:31

One hand on the tiller - one ready to dump the main! And a rather grim expression on my face. Everyone to windward (we had just been short of rounding up). I'm looking ahead getting ready to punch over a 6 foot wall while keeping from rounding up into the north jetty.

It was very gusty this day, sometimes sitting still in 5 knots of air and sometimes overpowered in 20.

Note no appreciable weather helm. Also the motor is down because it just fell after a big wave.

You see us all in our winter weather gear - sweatshirts and shoes. Henk was wearing shorts!

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 12/05/2009 : 09:36:50

Jim
What's the water temperature profile year round in Mission Bay and the adjacent Pacific? I'd frequently visited San Diego during February, June, August and November several years back, and I seemed to recall the water to be quite warm (60s out and 70s closer to shore). Are temps cooler offshore - like in LA?

When sailing in more challenging and colder conditions, do you ever consider dumping cotton and wearing polypro, nylon, wool and fleece? If you had a COB situation, cotton gets wet and stays cold, the others shed water and dry quickly.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 12/05/2009 : 10:14:27

Joe - I never took your comments as anything but a compliment.

Water temp is about 60 - 65 F. Air temp the same daytime.

I have polypro/wool long underwear, polypro fleece mid layers and West Marine 3rd Reef foulies (cheap, don't breath well, but dry). Also 3 different kinds of gloves (all from Home Depot).

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 12/05/2009 : 12:24:50

Happened right in my back yard and nobody even covered it (as far as I know)

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