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essen48183
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Initially Posted - 08/28/2009 : 16:29:13

O.K. Just figured something stupid out.

After all summer on this boat, always had a problem raising the main halyard due to overwraps on the starboard winch... the angle was not right coming straight from the mast. I installed coaming winches last weekend and in the process of routing the sheets I tried something I thought would never work... but it was worth a shot.

Found out that the main (and jib on port side) halyard can be led through the jib track fairlead as it is designed extra wide to have several sheets in it. This solves the over-wrap and allows the main to be raised from the cockpit. Since the cleat is actually on the mast, there is no tension on it and it falls limp and doesn't affect jib sheeting at all.

Might help someone out there. You have to go on the coachroof anyways to pull down the sail, at which point it functions as normal.

Essen Davis
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Response Posted - 08/28/2009 : 18:13:23

Interesting. I think most C250s have the halyards lead down to a block at the mast step and then to a turning deck block and then back to the winches. Did the early 250s not have that setup?

Edited by - Nautiduck on 08/28/2009 18:16:25

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Response Posted - 08/28/2009 : 18:50:50

My 1999 Cat 250WK is just like NautiDucks except that mine came with self-tailing winches.

When lowering the mainsail I keep one foot on the halyard to control how fast the sail comes down.

Edited by - jbkayaker on 08/28/2009 18:52:15

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Response Posted - 08/28/2009 : 18:58:12

Randy moved his self-tailers to the coamings and just has the starboard side winch for his halyard.

Edited by - John Russell on 08/28/2009 18:59:02

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Response Posted - 08/29/2009 : 07:32:28

Randy, do you have the double high deck organizer on the stbd side?

I'm looking for a couple, got the part number?

Paul

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Response Posted - 08/29/2009 : 08:11:31

Paul, I'll be out at the boat today and will get the number.

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Response Posted - 08/29/2009 : 09:02:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 Interesting. I think most C250s have the halyards lead down to a block at the mast step and then to a turning deck block and then back to the winches. Did the early 250s not have that setup?

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My 1998 250wb #370 did not have any turning blocks. Halyard comes down through a block w/cam at the base of the mast. I get over run sometimes when using the small winch that came with the boat. I have put onn coaming winches for the jib sheets and most of the time I dont use the winch to raise the main except for the last bit of tightening, and as an extra secure to hold it up with a few wraps and then lock into the cam

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Response Posted - 08/29/2009 : 11:26:34

Yes, there are many boats with the swiveling turning blocks and cam cleats a foot up from the base of the mast. I too thought it not an issue and raised by hand until the last couple turns... however still had occasional overwraps. It is a problem when shaking out a reef while heaved-to. I think all the boats with that setup have a very wide sheave on the jib track that can accommodate the halyards and the sheets... It seems to be designed to be used that way. Might help owners of the first several years of C250s who haven't gotten fed up and redesigned the system to match the newer style.

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Response Posted - 08/29/2009 : 16:32:16

For stuff like that Garhauer is usually pretty inexpensive.
Here's a link to double decker cheek blocks.
http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=30
They also have regular deck organizers another page.

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Response Posted - 08/29/2009 : 18:53:17

Great link Essen, thanks.

Paul

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Response Posted - 08/30/2009 : 12:04:04

Unfortunately none of those blocks match the original on the C250, or at least mine. Here is a photo of my deck block:

I couldn't find any current Garhauer to match it. Too bad since it would be nice to not have to re-drill to go from a single to a double. There is no model # that I could see. Under the Garhauer name it said in small letters "Guaranteed until 2007."

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Response Posted - 08/30/2009 : 12:35:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 ...I couldn't find any current Garhauer to match it...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Did you try contacting them? They might have some discontinued product lying around...

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Response Posted - 08/30/2009 : 18:39:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 ...I couldn't find any current Garhauer to match it...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Did you try contacting them? They might have some discontinued product lying around...
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Good idea Dave. I sent the photo to them.

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Response Posted - 09/08/2009 : 15:48:48

Yo Essen,

I've got a '96 WB, #227, so not far behind you...am also interested in setting up a "cheek", or "deck" block so I can raise the main from the cockpit...I just finished our new bimini install, and we're looking forward to launching in P'cola in the next two weeks....you guys are great with your advice and info, and I hope I can add to the forum as time goes on....

Brian S.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2009 : 17:49:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bshin
 Yo Essen,

I've got a '96 WB, #227, so not far behind you...am also interested in setting up a "cheek", or "deck" block so I can raise the main from the cockpit...I just finished our new bimini install, and we're looking forward to launching in P'cola in the next two weeks....you guys are great with your advice and info, and I hope I can add to the forum as time goes on....

Brian S.

Athena, C250 WB, #227
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That is the point of my post... you don't need to add anything! Nothing at all. rout the main halyard through the starboard jib sheet adjustable block along with the jib sheet. when you are raising the main- the jib sheet is slack. when you are using the jib sheets, the mainsheet is slack because the cam cleat is at the mast. It works awesome. And though not necessary to make it work, with coaming winches you can just leave it on the cabintop winch all the time.

Edited by - essen48183 on 11/04/2009 16:15:16

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