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dmpilc
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Initially Posted - 05/06/2009 : 19:05:47

It can be done, just not too much head room. The bimini is 36" tall and mounts on the deck outside the coamings; came off our C-22. Fabric is linen sharkskin.

DavidP
1975 C-22 SK #5459 "Shadowfax" Fleet 52
PO of 1984 C-25 SK/TR #4142 "Recess"
Percy Priest Yacht Club, Hamilton Creek Marina, Nashville, TN

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/06/2009 : 19:51:45

There ya go! Nice shot! With that little wind, the shade is good to have!

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 05/06/2009 : 20:18:07

Thanks, a friend on another boat took the pic, as well as the one in my signature. Good thing he didn't get closer, I'm not wearing a shirt. Wouldn't want to gross anyone out. It was hot that day. We had it up 2 Sundays ago, too, but with reefed main and 110 jib. Since then it has cooled off some.

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brrit
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Response Posted - 05/07/2009 : 05:20:11

Dave:

Did you cut the sail at all?

The local folks around here are recommending I cut the sail to fit a bimini. I hate to do that. I can deal with less headroom to not bake in the July sun.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 05/07/2009 : 06:15:43

I'm not sure, but I think you have the bimini installed backwards. If you turn it around, back-to-front, it might give you a little more headroom aft.

Also, it looks like you have a flattening reef. If you sail with the flattening reef tucked in, it will pull up the aft end of the boom, making more headroom.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/07/2009 : 07:13:28

Actually, now that I look, it is mounted the opposite way that mine was. But either way, it could be tipped forward for more headroom (and less shade) aft.

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dreddick
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Response Posted - 05/07/2009 : 08:35:05

My wife would love to have a bimini on our tall rig. Can anyone recommend one that would fit?

TIA

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 05/07/2009 : 09:39:31

Bryan: No, you don't need to have the sail cut, depending on how you set up the bimini and how much head room you want. Also, you have an 89 boat. Is your boom fixed on the mast or movable? If fixed, cutting the sail won't help unless you also move the boom placement. Before cutting your tall rig main, I recommend reefing the sail, which reduces it to about the size of a Std rig C-25 main, and move the boom up as needed. When reefed, I move it to just above the gate. Alternatively, buy a new or good used std rig main, or find a main sail with a luff about 26-26.5 ft (such as a Capri 25 main). long. The std rig main's luff is about 24.5 ft, the tall rig main's luff is 27.5 ft.

Steve, I have the bimini set up so it will fold down on the cabin top not aft, and placed about evenly between the boom vang and the main sheet so it would not interfere with either one. That determined where the deck connectors had to be placed. Also, I like being able to stand up behind the bimini while sailing so I can see the main easier. Good idea on the flattening reef to raise the boom a little. I'll try that next time.

David, If I was buying a new bimini , I would place it on top of the coaming, instead of on the deck. You'll lose a little side-to-side coverage, but walking around it and getting on/off the boat will be much easier. Or go all the way out to the genoa track, but if you do that you'll most likely have to fabricate your own cars/mounting brackets.
I used Boat Covers Direct: http://www.boatcoversdirect.com/
Also, take your own measurements. My bimini measures as 36" tall. If you go top of coaming, I would guess a 32" height unless you do raise the boom.

Also, I'll try turning it around and see if it helps any. I assumed that the straight bar needed to be on the end to which it folded.

Edited by - dmpilc on 05/07/2009 10:11:10

Blue Nose
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Response Posted - 05/07/2009 : 10:26:23

Talk to me more about raising the boom on a tall rig. I am 6'1" and have though about getting a shorter sail to raise the boom so I can stand under it. If you buy a standard rig main will it fit and what will it do to the performance of the boat? What was the purpose of the tall rig to begin with?

Thanks!

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 05/07/2009 : 11:09:37

I think you won't be able to stand under the boom, unless you raise it quite a few feet (4' ???) and underpower the main drastically. That would destroy the balance of the sail plan, which would be much worse than sitting down in your cockpit, or standing aft of the boom.

The question is whether there is enough room under the boom for your bimini. You would sit in the shade, under the bimini.

To stand under the boom, you'd need to buy a much bigger boat.

Edited by - JohnP on 05/07/2009 11:10:45

Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 05/07/2009 : 15:20:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JohnP
 To stand under the boom, you'd need to buy a much bigger boat.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">My boat is 35', and I can't stand under the boom, but the boat has wheel steering, and the boom swings forward of the wheel. What you need is a bigger boat with wheel steering.

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 05/08/2009 : 05:33:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Blue Nose
 Talk to me more about raising the boom on a tall rig. I am 6'1" and have though about getting a shorter sail to raise the boom so I can stand under it. If you buy a standard rig main will it fit and what will it do to the performance of the boat? What was the purpose of the tall rig to begin with?

Thanks!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The purpose of the tall rig is to add more sail for areas like ours that often have light winds. Go to the C25 Tech Tips, click on the bimini, and see my post about one way to put a bimini on a tall rig. Since you're local, you can also go look at my boat in slip 31 at Urbanna Yachting Center.

Edited by - Even Chance on 05/08/2009 10:15:06

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 05/08/2009 : 07:55:32

Brooke's pics in Tech Tips show a good pic of the genoa track car you'll have to fabricate. Actually my installation and Brooke's point out 2 different methods and issues to consider. Mine, being more forward, provides some cover for the companionway, shades anyone reclining against the cabin at the front of the cockpit (the admiral's favorite position), and as I wrote above, allows the helmsman to stand up behind the bimini while sailing. Brooke's probably shades a bit more of the cockpit and makes it easier to go forward with the bimini up. Being attached to cars on the genoa track also makes it movable fore and aft (forward movement limited by the main sheet) and would allow you to store it more out of the way against the backstay.
Decisions, decisions!
I do like Brooke's main sheet setup.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 05/08/2009 : 10:21:21

Also, check out the photos of Moonshiner and Lucky Star in the Photo Gallery.

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