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GaryB
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Initially Posted - 02/06/2009 : 16:43:20

Forecast for tomorrow is Pt. Cldy, mid 70's, winds 15 gusting to 20-25. I've never sailed with that much wind on my C25 (Hobie 16 yes).

What would the vast and unpaid research team recommend for sail selection? I have a 110% jib and 150% genoa. I believe the sails are original 89 models and are moderately stretched. Especially the main.

I'm thinking 110 and possibly single reefing the main?

Thanks in advance!

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bren737
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Response Posted - 02/06/2009 : 17:04:14

Hey Gary,

Clear Lake or the bay?

Don't remember if you have a roller or hank. Single reef with 110, ready to roll to about 80% sounds good. Looks like low tide is around 1430. Careful in the lake; still some debris lurking in the shallows. . . though that good sound wind should finally put some water back into it. Maybe I can get out of SSH now without bumping!

Have a blast!

Edited by - bren737 on 02/06/2009 17:05:36

John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/06/2009 : 17:28:00

110% and reefed main.

There will be those that will say 110% alone.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/06/2009 : 18:08:39

I've been out in 15-20 with full main and 150 genoa and 6 people in the cockpit and companionway. We had a great sail and rounded up only twice. With a 110 and reefed main, you'll be fine. Wish I was with you!!!

Edited by - dmpilc on 02/06/2009 18:09:13

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Response Posted - 02/06/2009 : 20:36:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bren737
 Hey Gary,

Clear Lake or the bay?

Don't remember if you have a roller or hank. Single reef with 110, ready to roll to about 80% sounds good. Looks like low tide is around 1430. Careful in the lake; still some debris lurking in the shallows. . . though that good sound wind should finally put some water back into it. Maybe I can get out of SSH now without bumping!

Have a blast!
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I'm thinking the bay! Unfortunately I have hank-ons. Do you still have to work this weekend?

Edited by - GaryB on 02/06/2009 20:37:32

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Response Posted - 02/06/2009 : 20:46:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 I've been out in 15-20 with full main and 150 genoa and 6 people in the cockpit and companionway. We had a great sail and rounded up only twice. With a 110 and reefed main, you'll be fine. Wish I was with you!!!
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If I had 6 people in the cockpit I'd go the 150 and full main myself but I'll be solo and don't want to push my luck. I was out once solo with full main and the 150 when it was around 13 but very gusty with a lot of variability in direction and it was too uncomfortable. Boat was hard to control.

That wasn't too long after I got the boat so I think I could handle it somewhat better now that I have more experience with it.

Hey, you're only a couple of hours away! Maybe Bren could fly you down!

Edited by - GaryB on 02/06/2009 20:47:37

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Response Posted - 02/06/2009 : 21:11:37

Yep. . . Denver tonight, Albuquerque tomorrow night. I'm only home when the water is too low or the weather is bad!

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Response Posted - 02/06/2009 : 21:21:46

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Are you in Denver now? Did you get my long email the other night?

Edited by - GaryB on 02/06/2009 21:41:43

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Response Posted - 02/06/2009 : 21:36:25

Yep, here in DEN now. Yes, got your email and sent you a reply last night with a cc to your work address. Didn't you get it?

Edited by - bren737 on 02/06/2009 21:44:56

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/07/2009 : 08:52:57

Doubt I'll make it to Kemah this weekend, daughter is here from St. Louis with fiance(?) for more wedding planning - scouting out facilities. Weather is supposed to be in the 60's today and all next week, so maybe I can get out one of the days.

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Response Posted - 02/07/2009 : 12:18:16

Gary: If you had six people in the cockpit/companionway, I don't think that'd be a reason to fly the 150 in those conditions--it might be even more reason to fly the 110. More people makes sail trimming and handling more complicated (unless they're skilled crew), doesn't help with balance (unless they like sitting on the rail), and usually somebody in thet group isn't comfortable with the occasional window-washing...

Even though you'll be alone, since you haven't had your boat in those conditions before, go with a reefed main and the 110--it's always easier to shake out a reef you don't need than to tuck one in while under way. And if you get uncomfortable out there, drop the main. You'll be surprised at how nicely she stands up to gusts and moves along on the jib alone.

Edit: Oops--too late.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 02/07/2009 12:20:59

GaryB
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Response Posted - 02/07/2009 : 13:04:29

Nope, not too late! I decided to blow off going for today. It appears to be pretty rough (http://www.nichtberger.com/camera.html). The winds are 20 kts gusting to 25-28 kts and I don't feel like getting beat up by myself ( I usually get pretty sore on a good day!). I don't have a safety harness and there's no one else out on the bay in case I had a problem.

I've sailed several times in 12-13 with just the jib/genoa and you are right, the boat does sail very nicely.

The only reasons I would consider going with a 150 if I had several people on board is because I would have extra ballast and help handling the boat.

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Response Posted - 02/07/2009 : 13:23:41

Good move staying in today... But for future reference, I'll suggest you walk a little before you run. Too little canvas it a blow might be a little "unexciting", but too much can be too exciting!

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Response Posted - 02/07/2009 : 13:34:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 Good move staying in today... But for future reference, I'll suggest you walk a little before you run. Too little canvas it a blow might be a little "unexciting", but too much can be too exciting!
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I agree! I've been out a few times when I wished I had put the 150 up instead of the 110. But then there was the one time I mentioned above when it was very gusty. Definitely was too exciting.

I'm hoping I can catch a day like today when the water is warmer and Bren is in town and we can go scare the he$# out of ourselves. Kinda looking forward to a scare and living on the edge like I used to do when I was younger (Hobie 16 on Canyon Lake, 19 years old, full sails in 30 gusting to 35 while solo!) Yee HA!! I bet Derek knows what I'm talking about since he sails those waters.

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Response Posted - 02/07/2009 : 14:29:56

Yup--I've been on a Hobie 16 on a lake high above Steamboat Springs, CO, in winds pushing 30 (my guess), flying a hull at 45 degrees, spray off the leeward hull like a fire hose, water sounding like a ripping bed-sheet... a major adrenalin high!

BTW, an iceboat has been screaming around on the river outside my place over the past few days... Man do those things move! But this is the first year in the four I've lived here that the river has been frozen over, so an iceboat would be a shaky investment.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/07/2009 : 15:21:31

I had 6 on board (5 plus me) for a Tues. evening Learners program our club does in the spring/summer/fall. Everybody was there to learn, did well in helping to handle the boat, and we all had a great time.
BTW, if you are ever in Steamboat Springs and go to the tennis center, say hi to my cousin, Jim. He runs the place.

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Response Posted - 02/07/2009 : 16:32:17

Gary,

Smart move staying off the water. Looks like the winds were higher than forecast. Sailing, like flying is about managing risks. As the joke goes, the most often 'last words' heard on a cockpit voice recorder. . . "Hey, watch this!"

Did you get my response to your email? I'll resend it to your primary.

Cheers!

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 02/07/2009 : 22:20:59

Of course right after I decided not to go down to the boat and took a nap the wind started dropping off. Eventually leveled off around 10-12 gusting to 15-16 kts. Temperature topped out at 77.6 at the house and around 70 at the bay.

That's my typical luck. Would have been a great sailing day.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/07/2009 : 22:33:16

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 BTW, if you are ever in Steamboat Springs and go to the tennis center, say hi to my cousin, Jim. He runs the place.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">If I'm ever...

My daughter has lived there for 13-14 years--is on the ski patrol and is an ER nurse there... knows everybody. She probably knows him. Ask him if he knows Liz Bristle or Tim Baldwin. (They don't play tennis, but it's a small town, when you factor out the transients.)

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