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HeelinPatrick
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Initially Posted - 12/11/2008 :  10:18:19  Show Profile

I was wondering if the two rudders are interchangeable. There is a new 250 fiberglass balanced rudder I can get, but it's for a C250, whereas I have a C25. I believe it already has the pintles attached to it. Does anyone know if it will fit, or it's a matter of resetting the pintles, would that make sense to do that? I checked Catalina Direct, and they have the same picture, but different part #'s. In an effort to clean house, I pitched my old rudder.

Also, reading previous posts, looks like there are two different length rudders. One of which appears to be 65 1/2" (from drawing in the technical tips), does anyone know the other (I assume shorter) rudder length? It looks like I had the 65 1/2" rudder, judging by photos.
Patrick Moran
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andy
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Response Posted - 12/11/2008 :  11:37:39  Show Profile  Visit andy's Homepage
Patrick

I'm using this rudder from IdaSailor Marine.

http://www.idasailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33& products_id=688

It's a very noticeable performance improvement. I replaced a stock C25 balanced rudder . The blade is longer and has a much improved shape over the original. They also make a very well designed retract system using the same blade. (see website)

I've always thought the C25 and C250 to be great boats (I've owned both). The stock rudders however, IMHO, were substandard, especially on the 250.

It's competitively priced and made of HDPE... bulletproof.

Send them your gudgeon dimensions and they'll install new pintels.
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Response Posted - 12/11/2008 :  16:21:26  Show Profile
Patrick, I'd be very surprised if the pintle placement was the same, and another factor is the level at which the balanced part is "stepped out". The C-25 has a skeg that the step goes under--the 250 doesn't.
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Response Posted - 12/12/2008 :  10:23:02  Show Profile

I took a look a closer look at the C250, had no idea the back end was open, not even close to a C25. I got measurements from the C250 rudder, and it's much different that the C25. Thanks for the feedback too. There seemed to be a mini debate in other threads about the HDPE vs. fiberglass rudders too, I kinda like the lifetime guarantee part.
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Response Posted - 12/12/2008 :  10:57:38  Show Profile
Of course the "lifetime guarantee" means they'll send you a new one when yours breaks... not that you're guaranteed not to be doing 360s out there.
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Response Posted - 12/13/2008 :  14:28:26  Show Profile  Visit andy's Homepage
Dave
I've sailed the rudder (Ruddercraft) in 25kt and it's solid as a rock.
The only time we've spun out is with a Catalina design... especially on the 250 (it couldn't handle 15Kt). When I received the new 3rd gen. 250 rudder from the CAT factory, when they had the free one...(just pay the shipping because the 1st gen. was so poor), it arrived split at the seams.

The stock balanced CAT rudder we were using on the 25 produced a slight lee helm when powered up with a mylar 135. I couldn't trim out the problem... The new rudder fixed it.
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Response Posted - 12/13/2008 :  15:04:19  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by andy</i>
<br />I'm using this rudder from IdaSailor Marine.

It's competitively priced and made of HDPE... bulletproof.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Posted by Craig Vitt...

<i>I purchased a C250 WK (#521) over a year ago, and when purchased, it had an IDA balanced rudder...A short time ago, while sailing off the N. California coast, in moderate conditions (20kt wind, 6' swell w/ 2' wind waves), with the main reefed and a 110 jib, I rounded up in a puff, and my IDA rudder broke in half...</i>

Posted by Gary Bruner...

<i>"I bought the IdaSailor rudder last summer, too, after my original one snapped off. I thought I was happy with it last fall and early spring when conditions were VERY light. However, with bigger breeze this spring, and the fact that I race and carry more sail than if I was cruising, I found that the IdaSailor did not work well for me.

I kept rounding up both downwind under spinnaker and upwind with the 135 and full main in about 20 knots of breeze. I sold the IdaSailor on this site this spring, with the caveat that I felt it was best in light conditions or for those who reef or shorten sail early."</i>
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Response Posted - 12/14/2008 :  11:02:00  Show Profile  Visit andy's Homepage
Wow... that hasn't been my experience but I don't doubt what you say.
The rudder is long and thin. If I break it I'll get a replacement free because they're local. I would replace it because I like how it works on my particular set up.

As far as rounding up is concerned... IMHO, if you're running a 135 in 20kts. you're way overpowered...you'd round up with any rudder, especially with the stock traveler set up. I've hit hull speed on a close reach with my storm jib. In anything over 15kts its the #3 or 4. That works for me. C25's don't accelerate worth a damn. You can't maintain momentum as well if you're getting knocked around by having too much power hung on. My boat likes small smooth tiller moves and a constant heel of about 15-20 deg., maintained with constant traveler movement in puffy heavy air.

It's not my place to tell anybody how to sail their boat, but we do race quite sucessfully
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