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zeil
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Initially Posted - 11/26/2008 : 22:14:22

In the December '08 edition of the Pacific Yachting magazine the new Martin 244 described as "a modern evolution in high performance day-sailers", was introduced...

The article states, quote: (the Martin 244 is born into an interesting place in the market, one occupied by aging, sub-25-foot daysailers like the Capri 22, San Juan24 Cal20 and Martin 242). It goes on to say that quote: (he couldn't find a modern sub-25 ft daysailer that would fit the bill so he collaborated with Martin to draw up the 244).

In the article or manufacturers information no reference is made to the Catalina 25, Catalina 250, or Capri 25 sailboats

http://www.m244.ca/index.html

The basic price for the 244 quoted including mainsail, jib, and running rigging is $41.495 (no mention of electronics, galley, head, motor or trailer etc. is made)

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 11/26/2008 : 22:33:40

Interesting and quite different than a C25 or 250 or Capri 25. Has little in the way of cabin accommodations and weights in at only 2300lbs. Looks like a very nice day sailor though. Could be fast.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/26/2008 : 22:50:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by zeil
 ...In the article or manufacturers information no reference is made to the Catalina 25, Catalina 250, or Capri 25 sailboats...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Or Cape Dory 25Ds... Why would there be? This is a whole different animal. Its predecessor might be the 23' Sonar, but not a Catalina or Capri.

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Russ.Johnson
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Response Posted - 11/27/2008 : 00:00:42

I guess it's what you consider a daysailer.
I consider the C-25 and C-250 as pocket cruisers.
The J-24 and Melges-24 as racers.
The Martin 244 doesn't look like either.

So, the daysailer as about half the price of a racer and half the interior space a pocket cruiser?

I agree there is a market for daysailers, but it's a different market.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/27/2008 : 07:03:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by zeil
 The article states, quote: (the Martin 244 is born into an interesting place in the market, one occupied by aging, sub-25-foot daysailers like the Capri 22, San Juan24 Cal20 and Martin 242). It goes on to say that quote: (he couldn't find a modern sub-25 ft daysailer that would fit the bill so he collaborated with Martin to draw up the 244).

In the article or manufacturers information no reference is made to the Catalina 25, Catalina 250, or Capri 25 sailboats<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

They probably weren't mentioned because they aren't sub-25ft boats.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 11/27/2008 : 07:39:23

The Martin 244 looks like it's about as fast as you can make a 25' monohull. Compare it's specs with the Capri 25, which is a well-respected older racing design. The numbers on the left are for the Capri 25, and the right are for the Martin.

sail area ............... 276 ........................ 382
displacement ......... 2950 ...................... 2300
ballast .................. 900 ....................... 700
draft .................... 4'-2" ...................... 5'-6"
Waterline length .....19'-2" ...................... 24'-2"

With the Martin's much deeper draft, it can carry a whopping 382 square feet of sail area, even though it is burdened by 200# less ballast and 650# less displacement weight. With that much sail area and that little weight, it'll accelerate quickly, even in light air. The Martin's waterline is an incredible 5' longer than the Capri's, which increases it's designed hull speed.

It's hard to say how it'll behave in different winds and waves, but in favorable conditions, it'll be exciting to sail.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 11/27/2008 : 07:48:36

Interesting, but very expensive day-sailor for my taste. Built in Canada. Looks like it would make a good club racer/overnighter, albiet somewhat tight quarters. Specs say it has V-berth plus 2 singles. Also has the new Harken below deck furler and square-top main. Weight is about the same as a C-22 but 150 lb. more in the keel, beam is only 4" wider. Main and 105 jib = 371 sq ft. Open transom like the new Hunters. Vertical lift keel will break up/rob more of the interior space. Only 8" difference in LOA and LWL. Designers were responsible for the Catalina 27.
For $41,500 it ought to come fully equipped for racing with electronics and a trailer!!!

Edited by - dmpilc on 11/27/2008 07:55:19

pastmember
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Response Posted - 11/27/2008 : 07:57:59

The dingy rig makes it a screaming reacher but dead down will not be kind to the main. It is fun to see the square top main. It certainly seems to be an exciting boat.

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andy
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Response Posted - 12/01/2008 : 15:40:32

Comparing a Martin 24-2 or 244 to a C25 or 250 is like comparing a sports car to motorhome. The 24-2 is a blazingly fast one design club racer, very popular in southern CA it runs a sailplan similar to a J-bost...small fractional jib, large main and a spinnaker.
There's no reason to believe the 244 will be slower. If I had the dough, I'd order one today

Portsmouth #'s.

J80- 74.1

Martin 242- 78.1

C25TRWK (spi)-95.1

Martin 244- not established but I'll bet it's close to the J80.

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