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delliottg
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Initially Posted - 10/07/2008 : 12:48:16

[url="http://lyonsimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/6142227_HoUAr#386640349_WnE6n"]Maltese Falcon gets T-boned[/url]

Edit: Oops, just saw the other post in the Admiralty forum.

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cat1951
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Response Posted - 10/07/2008 : 15:31:53

HMMM CBS Article October 5th - No mention of collision. Could it be that those sailors on the Falcon are just painted in?

World's Biggest Private Yacht Lands In Marin
BELVEDERE (CBS 5) ¯ The Maltese Falcon, the biggest privately owned yacht in the world, sailed into the San Francisco bay on Saturday.

Considered the most technologically advanced yacht in the world, the 289-foot ship arrived as the tide was low enough to allow its 191-foot masts to clear the bridge by a mere 20 feet.

The ship is owned by Belvedere billionaire, Tom Perkins. Its arrival is part of a gala fundraiser in Tiburon for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society.

Fundraising events include a dinner on October 4, with guest speaker Rupert Murdoch, and the Leukemia Cup Regatta on October 5, when 100 other ships will join the Maltese Falcon.

The super yacht boasts a 3-deck atrium with a circular staircase with clear glass floors, 5 staterooms, a passenger cabin, as well as a dining room and art studios.

It will be anchored off of Belvedere.

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Response Posted - 10/07/2008 : 17:07:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by cat1951
 HMMM CBS Article October 5th - No mention of collision. Could it be that those sailors on the Falcon are just painted in?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">It happened--extensive photo record and discussion on Sailing Anarchy--a hit-and-run, amazingly. The anarchists are practically speechless! (...all things being relative.) Even the designer of the Nordic 40 chimes in--wished his baby hadn't gotten that sort of headlines. Go there for the whole story--the 40 tacked right into the Falcon, T-boned him, and then turned and ran until the Falcon and the Coasties caught up to him. Amazing!

I think I have a way to beat that--I'll go out and T-bone a sub coming into New London!

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 10/07/2008 17:14:15

Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 10/07/2008 : 17:46:01

The 40 footer was on a starboard tack and the Falcon on Port tack.

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SCnewbie
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Response Posted - 10/08/2008 : 01:02:02

Every vessel is required to avoid collision. I think it is funny that they tried running. HAHAHA

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/08/2008 : 07:32:50

Best One Liner Over there ...."Under the old rules, before the Tack MF has two masts abeam!!!"

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Response Posted - 10/08/2008 : 08:31:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Champipple
 Best One Liner Over there ...."Under the old rules, before the Tack MF has two masts abeam!!!"
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Response Posted - 10/08/2008 : 08:36:49

All I can say is wow. I guess the sun was blocked out by the Falcon and the Captain of the Nordic couldn't see in the dark.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 10/08/2008 : 12:06:57

Any skipper who would tack a 40 ft boat into the path of a 289 ft "ship" is a damn fool, regardless of right-of-way rules.

Edited by - dmpilc on 10/08/2008 12:11:20

RCarie
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Response Posted - 10/08/2008 : 17:24:26

I won't pass judgement without all of the information, but I wouldn't want the Captain of the 40 footer's fffteen minutes of fame.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/08/2008 : 22:41:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by RCarie
 I won't pass judgement without all of the information, but I wouldn't want the Captain of the 40 footer's fffteen minutes of fame.

Randy Carie
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Don't sell him short on the 15 min, he'll get a good 3 months or the duration of the trial over at SA (whichever comes sooner). A lot of good info here - just have to weed through the hubris.

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=79808

And remember - don't crack open a thread at SA if you are at work and it has has the word "Friday" in the thread title.

PS: Remember when you guys used to laugh at me when I'd bring up the mythical law of tonnage --- which simply states, he with the bigger vessel has right of way --- This was what I meant by bigger vessel

Edited by - Champipple on 10/08/2008 22:43:47

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Response Posted - 10/09/2008 : 09:22:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Champipple
 Remember when you guys used to laugh at me when I'd bring up the mythical law of tonnage --- which simply states, he with the bigger vessel has right of way --- This was what I meant by bigger vessel<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Anyone who's been around a car ferry, not to mention a freighter, knows exactly what you meant. (Freighters are generally more courteous.)

Like everyone else, I'm mystified, but suspicious of one thing--the tricks your eyes can play on you when a ship is approaching. Somehow, its size makes it appear to be moving much more slowly than it is. I'm thinking the Nordic thought he could tack and cross the MF and found it was closing on him faster than he thought, but by that time he was caught in the wind-shadow and eddies from the MF's strange rig--backwinding his jib and generally killing his steerage.

But then as I think there must be some rational explanation, I remember the guy tried to run away! Maybe there isn't.

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Response Posted - 10/09/2008 : 09:31:04

BTW, here's a "Seamanship 101" quiz question for you:

You're cruising along on port tack, and you see another boat on starboard at "10-o'clock" a quarter mile away. How can you tell if, on your present courses, you're going to cross him, pass behind him, or hit him (if you take no action)?

(I know, this is too easy for most of you, but may be useful for a few newer folks...)

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 10/09/2008 09:35:55

cat1951
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Response Posted - 10/09/2008 : 09:56:35

Not sure who you would like to answer that one. I can, but you might be looking for more of a newby.

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Response Posted - 10/09/2008 : 10:07:43

I cross and pass other boats within feet and sometimes inches so I have to explain this to people who have never sailed with me before. Once they understand it and do it they calm down. It is always a hoot to listen to people new to sailing warn a skipper about a boat a hundred yards away, bless their hearts.

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Response Posted - 10/09/2008 : 11:31:30

Frank, I hope you explain it to them before you cross. HEHE

I remember the first time I took my aunt flying with me. I was very goof about explaining everything that was going to happen so she wasn't surprised or scared. However, when we came back to land, I pulled the throttle back without telling her what I was doing. She had been looking out the window and didn't see me do it so all of a sudden she flipped thinking the engine had just quit. The look of terror in her face was such that I aborted the approach and left the pattern so I could explain it to her.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/09/2008 : 12:13:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 BTW, here's a "Seamanship 101" quiz question for you:

You're cruising along on port tack, and you see another boat on starboard at "10-o'clock" a quarter mile away. How can you tell if, on your present courses, you're going to cross him, pass behind him, or hit him (if you take no action)?

(I know, this is too easy for most of you, but may be useful for a few newer folks...)
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Line him visually with something on your boat(stantion, shroud etc.)Hold course and wait for a few boat lengths. Check his bearing again using the same fixed point on your boat. If he is in the same location alter course or call your fiberglass repair guy. If he moves forward on your mark you will pass astern, if he moves aft then you'll pass ahead. You do need to be in the same spot on the boat when you look though.

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cat1951
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Response Posted - 10/09/2008 : 12:39:25

AWWW Champipple, based on your post count, you are no newby. I do the same just watch the stanchions .....

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Response Posted - 10/09/2008 : 16:46:40

Very good, Duane! For that, I'll even cancel your detention.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 10/12/2008 : 07:57:32

Thanks for the post! You guys keep me up to date on the latest without the hours on SA... Love it - thanks!

UM, yeah - stupid is as stupid does. But really, stupidity is all around us. Coast Guard Ice Breakers hitting commercial ferries in the fog, bleach bottles hanging on string hitting Lysistrata in the middle of the night

, foreign policy experience based on "I can see them across the water"

, but get this one!

SV Adirondack II - a charter schooner in Newport was sailing thru the anchorage on a blustery day and snagged the anchor of an Island Packet 44 or something. The anchor was lodged under the rudder and the IP owner refused to set it free as the two boats dragged together and eventual ran into another IP... File under, never a dull moment.

Sten

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Response Posted - 10/12/2008 : 11:44:18

Sten: That makes me feel even safer berthed up the Mystic River, where sailboats can't get to me (without dropping their masts and hoisting their keels)!

My biggest problem is getting through the crowds of Dyer Dhows and Beetle Cats by the Seaport to get out to the big water.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 10/12/2008 11:44:48

redviking
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Response Posted - 10/13/2008 : 07:26:48

Amazingly enough the Captain retained his position. He had close to 50 onboard with a crew of 2. Every HarborMaster boat and launch was out there trying to separate the two. Why he was trying to sail thru the anchorage is beyond me... Anyway, did anyone ever find out what the outcome of the Coasties VS Block Island Ferry?

sten

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Response Posted - 10/13/2008 : 14:31:59

Nope, but I know an instructor at the Coast Guard Academy--I'll ask him. Last I heard, they were handling it with an "internal investigation."

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