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viniciusbcarmo
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Response Posted - 09/21/2008 : 22:15:21

Wow! thanks for all your support and quick responses!
Most definitely good advice!
Yeah Vini is how most people call me, thats cool.
Where do you find info with the hull number of the boat?
Anyway here it is: CTYK4896K485
She is a 1985 model built in 1984.
Regarding insurance, I did it based on the market price, 8K - 500 deductible. We are considering repairing her because of the nice clean and original interior and hull with minor damages. I'm unsure 7.5K will do it though... All fittings to mast and boom were damaged, masthead, support, mainsheet...
Could probably find another C25 for the money, but not easy... took us a lot of research to find her in Lake Texoma... Anyway thanks for the tips, will try to price the parts like that.
Best regards,

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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 05:20:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by viniciusbcarmo
 Wow! thanks for all your support and quick responses!
Most definitely good advice!
Yeah Vini is how most people call me, thats cool.
Where do you find info with the hull number of the boat?
Anyway here it is: CTYK4896K485
She is a 1985 model built in 1984.
Regarding insurance, I did it based on the market price, 8K - 500 deductible. We are considering repairing her because of the nice clean and original interior and hull with minor damages. I'm unsure 7.5K will do it though... All fittings to mast and boom were damaged, masthead, support, mainsheet...
Could probably find another C25 for the money, but not easy... took us a lot of research to find her in Lake Texoma... Anyway thanks for the tips, will try to price the parts like that.
Best regards,
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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 05:23:03

Hi Vini,

Welcome to the forum. I'm really sorry to hear about your damage.

By chance is this your boat? This was a really nice boat.

Below is a picture of my old dock #12 at Watergate. I moved from this dock about a month ago.

The boat with the mast just to the right of the flags went through the center of the dock and is about a 1/4 of the way into my old slip.

Edited by - GaryB on 09/22/2008 05:40:08

GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 05:51:39

Here's a link to all the pictures I took yesterday.

http://hurricaneikekemah.shutterfly.com/

By the way, it turns out my starboard forward stay did not snap, it unscrewed itself from the turnbuckle.

Edited by - GaryB on 09/22/2008 05:54:01

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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 07:34:45

Strange as this sounds, it is probably good for the industry to cull out some boats periodically. I wonder how many of the insurance companies are solvent.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 08:57:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 By the way, it turns out my starboard forward stay did not snap, it unscrewed itself from the turnbuckle.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Was it pinned (i.e., a cotter pin through the hole below the threads, bent back around the thurnbuckle body)?

Looks like you did a good job of preparing... I'll just comment on one thing: no spring-lines. You're well secured side-to-side, but not fore-and-aft. Without them, you risk having that outboard and bracket bashed against the dock, or ripping some bow and/or stern cleats out. (But obviously I'm wrong--it didn't happen.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 08:59:53

Based on what I've seen so far from Ike...

Future Hurricane advice:

1) if you have a trailer get the boat out of water and as far from the beach as practical.
secure boat and trailer with mobile-home anchors.. away from big trees.
2) if #1 is not possible, remove boom and drop mast, lash securely in 'trailering' configuration.
3) remove rudder and store in cabin with boom.
4) remove outboard and take it to high ground.
5) remove 'valuables'... binoculars, radio(s), GPS etc.

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 09:32:50

GaryB,
Do you know what the level of the storm surge was in your marina on the west side of Galveston Bay? Your short dock lines would have been ok with floating docks, like you described before. You showed one photo with someone's marking on a white post at about 6 or 8 feet above the dock. Which marina was that - one on the north end of Galveston Bay? Did they have fixed docks?

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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 09:51:31

It probably is good for the industry but it sure does hurt a lot of people. I want the market to be flooded with good used boats so I can afford to buy one to live on some day.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 09:54:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I'll just comment on one thing: no spring-lines <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

He's at a floating dock, yes?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 10:59:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DaveR
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I'll just comment on one thing: no spring-lines <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

He's at a floating dock, yes?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That's not the issue. The fore-and-aft pressure and shocks should be absorbed by lines running roughly fore-to-aft (springlines), and the sideways pressures by the bow, stern, and breast lines Gary has. Floating docks just make it easier to adjust them all, and reduce the need to cross them over to opposite sides of the boat.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 11:25:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 By the way, it turns out my starboard forward stay did not snap, it unscrewed itself from the turnbuckle.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Was it pinned (i.e., a cotter pin through the hole below the threads, bent back around the thurnbuckle body)?

Looks like you did a good job of preparing... I'll just comment on one thing: no spring-lines. You're well secured side-to-side, but not fore-and-aft. Without them, you risk having that outboard and bracket bashed against the dock, or ripping some bow and/or stern cleats out. (But obviously I'm wrong--it didn't happen.

)

Edit: I'll amend this to say the lines to your winches are almost, sorta like aft spring-lines, but you get more fore-aft security with less stress by having lines that are closer to being parallel to the boat--less than 45 degrees. And it's best to have both fore and aft springs.
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I agree but the lines to my winches were the best I could do with the time I had to get the boat ready and get home to prep the house.

No, the turnbuckles were not pinned. I hadn't been sailing since I got the boat ready for the last storm and I figured since I wasn't going to be sailing I didn't need to pin them. Obviously I was wrong about that and they will get pinned this weekend.

Edited by - GaryB on 09/22/2008 11:27:36

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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 11:38:47

OK Dave, I see where you're coming from. Even with a floating dock, you don't want to tie tight to the dock, too much bumping and banging. And leaving space means some front to back and side to side motion which = spring lines.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 11:44:07

I'm going down to he marina at lunch and I'll try to remember to take a tape measure to measure the Ike line. I am on a floating dock that's about two years old.

I agree with Dave on the springlines but like I said above I simply ran out of time. I was expecting the wind to be mainly out of the south hence the reason for "springlines" were set to hold the boat from hitting the front/back? of the dock.

I now have a trailer I just need to adjust the bunks to fit my boat. Does anyone have the dimensions the bunks should be set at? I'll add a picture of my trailer later today.

Edited by - GaryB on 09/22/2008 11:44:27

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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 11:48:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DaveR
 OK Dave, I see where you're coming from. Even with a floating dock, you don't want to tie tight to the dock, too much bumping and banging. And leaving space means some front to back and side to side motion which = spring lines.
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Right or wrong, I tied my lines as tight as I could get them to help reduce the jerking stress on the cleats. My three strand nylon lines still had plenty of stretch in them. I backed them up with braided line set slightly loose to allow the nylon to stretch some but not enough to break.

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txbigfoot
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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 13:53:19

Gary, glad your boat made the storm.

If you or anyone else needs parts, I still have the catalina 25 SR/FK available for parts. I can deliver to the coast in about a week.
Dan

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 14:29:09

Just got back from the marina. The Ike mark on the piling next to my boat was approx. 11-1/2' above normal high tide so I'm guessing 12-1/2' above low tide on an average day.

I'm now a member of the South Shore Harbor community so I shouldn't have to move my boat again this year.

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viniciusbcarmo
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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 22:04:52

Hi Gary,
No that is not our boat, we were in pier 20, in front of the covered slips.... we got a bad hit... For some reason I'm unable to post photos here, was going to post pics of how we found her... is it because I'm only a deckhand?

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 09/22/2008 : 22:58:33

I am on a floating finger slip and dock. Marina operators indicated it is best to snug up the lines. When they were giving me a choice of slips, they pointed out examples of how the lines should be snugged up and how some were not...had too much slack.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/23/2008 : 10:06:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by viniciusbcarmo
 Hi Gary,
No that is not our boat, we were in pier 20, in front of the covered slips.... we got a bad hit... For some reason I'm unable to post photos here, was going to post pics of how we found her... is it because I'm only a deckhand?

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It's not because your a deckhand. You have to post them to a site on the internet (www.Shutterfly.com is good) and then put the link in your email.
Go to the Testing forum and it will explain the process in detail.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/23/2008 : 12:27:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by viniciusbcarmo
 Hi Gary,
No that is not our boat, we were in pier 20, in front of the covered slips.... we got a bad hit... For some reason I'm unable to post photos here, was going to post pics of how we found her... is it because I'm only a deckhand?

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Do you need a slip to put your boat in?

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Frank Law
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 15:11:50

Vini What you have gone through must be terribly disenheartening.. I have a stern pulpit sitting out back, there are evidently 2 types of mounting brackets (where bolts screw onto the deck) If you can use it the cost is minimal..

Frank Law
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bren737
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Response Posted - 09/26/2008 : 19:34:15

Gary,

Hola! Welcome to South Shore Harbour! Glad to hear you made it through the storm OK. I know we've talked before but it's been some time. I live in South Shore Harbour just about 1/2 mile from the marina; kind of putting all my eggs in one basket. Fortunately, none of my eggs broke, only a few scratches.

You couldn't be in a better place than SSH. When I bought the Passport last year a good friend who's been in the Clear Lake area for 20+ years insisted that I dock there (in spite of it's distance from the bay). His insistence was based on it's storm protection and man was he right! Apart from my wind generator destroying itself and pulling some of it's mounting brackets out of the deck, the boat survived unscathed. Another 'old 250 owner', Steve Steakley, is just a couple of docks over from me with his Endeavour 42; likewise, not a bit of damage.

I've been told the same, that SSH pilings can take an 18-20 ft surge. Officially, our side of Clear Lake saw 11 1/2 ft rise above the mean high tide. A marina worker who stayed in the hotel there reported that the docks came within 18 inches of floating off the top of the pilings; pretty damned close! Floaters are definitely the way to go!

As a side note, a friend from work who lives aboard his 58 ft power boat over on pier 1 STAYED ABOARD FOR THE STORM! Haven't talked to him yet but hear he fared well (not so sure about his thought process in staying).

I'm on pier 3, slip 9. Come on by for that beer we talked about a few months ago! I'm there most days when I'm in town for a least a bit. Give me a shout first: 210.823.0491.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/27/2008 : 12:37:10

Hi Bren,

Glad to be a part of the SSH crowd and glad your boat came through Ok. The only negative is being so far from the bay compared to Watergate. Everything else is definitely a nice step up.

Walk out on Dock 11 and check out the piling next to my boat. Someone marked the high water mark. I measured it at approx. 11' 5". If that is in fact the true high water mark it appears there was still several feet left on the piling. Check out the 119 pictures I have posted at http://hurricaneikedamage.shutterfly.com/

I'm planning on being down at the boat tomorrow. I'll swing by and say hey if I do make it down.

Edited by - GaryB on 09/27/2008 15:55:35

bren737
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Response Posted - 09/27/2008 : 22:21:29

Gary,

Sorry, I'll be at work tomorrow but please keep trying, we'll hook up sooner or later.

I did check out your photos. Really indicative of a lot of the damage I've seen around Kemah, Clear Lake, San Leon, Seabrook, etc. We were really blessed to have SSH so protected.

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