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srf
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Initially Posted - 07/29/2008 :  12:03:22  Show Profile
Can anyone tell me if a new Honda 9.9 extra long shaft, tiller with power tilt (Model BFP10DKXHT)will definately fit on a 250 Wheel Keel? I heard there were some issues with the Yamaha fitting due to the tiller coming into contact with the center seat behind the wheel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
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Russ.Johnson
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Response Posted - 07/29/2008 :  16:00:01  Show Profile
It may depend on which year your C-250 was made.
The newer models allow for a wider outboard.

See the link --> [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17856"]Cockpit Changes 2000-2001 and Outboard Mount[/url]

Note: The Water-Ballast model and Winged-Keel models have the same cockpit (it just depends on the year).
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srf
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Response Posted - 07/29/2008 :  16:14:02  Show Profile
Your link was very helpful but I still have questions. The boat is an 08' and has not been in the water yet. I ordered a Honda 9.9 extra long shaft with the power tilt and measured the boat. The opening at the top of the transom is about 17" which I think is plenty of room. My dealer said he had issues with this in the past but does not sell motors with his boats. I went with the Honda b/c I saw them being sold with 250s on the internet but I'm not sure if the power tilt version will fit or make a difference. Do you think it will fit given your knowlege of the boat? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Russ.Johnson
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Response Posted - 07/29/2008 :  23:51:38  Show Profile
Sorry, I mis-read your post.
I didn't realize you have a 2008 model.

Here's what I do know.
The cockpit cowling for the outboard hasn't changed from 2001 to 2008.
The Honda-8 and Honda-9.9 are the same size and weight.

I have a 2005 model with a "Honda-8 Classic".
The "Honda-8 Classic" is smaller and lighter than the current Honda-8.
Mine works great for me, but you have a different outboard.
Sorry I wasn't more help.

If anyone has a C250 (2001 or newer) with the current Honda-8 or Honda-9.9 can you give some feedback?
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Russ.Johnson
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Response Posted - 07/29/2008 :  23:59:12  Show Profile
Check out this post updated today --> [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18265"]Remote throttle & shift controls[/url]
It looks like the first post has your configuration.
You might want to send him and e-mail.
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srf
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Response Posted - 07/30/2008 :  01:18:47  Show Profile
Russ my dealer told me I would not need the motor to steer. He said my motor could be locked straight and all my steering could be done with the wheel. Is this incorrect? The boat will be docked at an outside mooring if this helps. Thanks for all your help.
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mhartong
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Response Posted - 07/30/2008 :  05:24:15  Show Profile  Visit mhartong's Homepage
Yes, you can control the boat with the rudder alone. I have an inboard diesel so I can not change the position of power unit, and I have not experienced any issues. The trick, however, that I have found is with a fixed power unit is you have to be planning ahead on your moves a bit more than with a moveable power unit. I also have an advantage that the position of my power unit always vectors the water flow over the rudder. With an outboard, the power unit doesn't directly cause water to flow over the rudder since the outboard is parallel to the rudder.

I think most people who have an outboard prefer to have a moveable unit. Some some even have found a link between the rudder and outboard so they turn together extremely helpful. This allows them to use the outboard thrust to aid in changing the direction of the boat directly and ensure that the rudder and outboard are working together.
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/30/2008 :  10:56:23  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by srf</i>
<br />Russ my dealer told me I would not need the motor to steer. He said my motor could be locked straight and all my steering could be done with the wheel. Is this incorrect? The boat will be docked at an outside mooring if this helps. Thanks for all your help.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">There's been pages and pages about this very topic on this forum. Check out the threads dealing with "soft link" or "Hard link" to get a sense of the debate.

My personal opinion (worth no more than you're payin for it)is that it has more to do with the tiller versus wheel maneuverability in close quarters. I'm able to maneuver using only the rudder in and out of my dock while others insist that the motor needs to turn. I have a tiller and not a wheel. I think the tiller is more agile at slow speeds and tight spaces for reasons discussed elsewhere. My motor (not a Honda) is also not directly on the transom but rather on a Garelick mount 12"-18" aft of the transom. I'm also a relatively novice sailor as compared to most on this forum.

BTW, a garelick mount (or any other type) would eliminate your space concerns since it would move the motor away from the transom.

Welcome to the world of Catalina 250's!
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srf
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Response Posted - 07/30/2008 :  11:01:59  Show Profile
Thank you John - your input is very helpful.
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