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Initially Posted - 06/05/2008 : 20:03:14

So looking over a video I did while out the other day, I noticed that my 100% jib is riding up on my lifelines. Should I be able to raise it more so that the foot of the sail is higher off the deck?

Also, It occurs to me that we still have crazy weather helm. Looking at the video I realize my daighter has the tiller in her lap most of the day. That was on about 15kts. The main reefed and the jib full out. Jib sheeted at the far forward end of the tracks. I played with the main sheet to try and keep heel down but it seemed it had to go way out to minimize it. I am wondering if I should concentrate on depowering the main or increasing the power of the jib. I only have the one set of reef points currently. That was to be a winter project(adding another set.) I have read the posts about weather helm and rounding up. I tried adding 100 pounds to the v berth storage. Figured I would add another 100 the next time we go out and see the effect. I also thought possibly getting the jib up higher and slacking tension on the forestay a bit.

If I could find another C250 owner near by to teach me the ins and outs I would gladly pay for a teacher but all the instructors around here teach on bigger boats or dingys. I figure our boats have a few quirks.

S/V Cornbread
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Russ.Johnson
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 20:40:58

You could post your video on YouTube then post a link here.

I would not recommend slacking the tension only on the forestay. The rig should be firm.
You might loosen the forestay and tighten the upper shrouds to rake the mast.
There are instructions in the owner's manual about that.

I can raise the Jib on my CDI furler, but the 95' had a different furler.
Note, if you raise it there will be slightly more heel because the force is moved higher.
But, you might not notice the difference.

Since you have a 95' you might have the 1st generation rudder.
If you could measure your rudder length and post it, we can verify which one you have.
I have a 2nd generation kick-up rudder (75 inches long)
and a 3rd generation water-ballast (short) rudder (59 inches long).

Russ 2005 C250WB #793

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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 21:11:06

Make sure the back stay is tight and the boat on an even keel.
We carry a generator, the two of us, spare fuel, AC unit and loads of stuff in the aft berth, so our bow normally is a bit high, we put in a second water tank to help offset the stern weight but could add probably another 100lbs to the bow.

is it a 100% or 110% jib?

We can sail much better in medium winds (15-18knts for us) with single reefed main and our 110% fully deployed.

Paul

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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 21:12:07

My Jib usually is riding on the lifelines in similar conditions.

With 15 kts. with only one or two people in the boat I have the first reef in the main, and I roll the jib in as needed, don't underestimate the power in that jib. Usually a turn or two works. The more crew in the boat the more sail I can use, moving bodies around works well. I also generally try and keep the heel between 15-20 degrees, 20 and above weather helm and rounding are common. Two other things I usually do is rake the centerboard back a bit and watch the gusts, steer closer to the wind as they approach. Working the main is of course the control we use most. As the weather helm increases I usually instruct the crew to depower the main until the weather helm eases then repower as soon as possible.

I am not sure if all of these suggestions would be considered proper sailing techniques but they seem to work for us. Steve Milby showed me some of these things a few years back when he talked me into trying out racing and skippered Sea Major. We didn't do too bad in the race or two but his teaching placed a lot higher in my mind.

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Response Posted - 06/06/2008 : 04:00:30

I am pretty sure I have the second generation beaching rudder. I already know I have problems holding it down. Seems like thre is nothing holding it down so I actually have a bungee wra[[ed around it to keep it forward. I will measure when I can.

Paul, my jib is 100%. Theoriginal sails are gone and this is one that the PO had made. I think a 110 would work better but not sure I want to spend the money for a 110 without knowing how much difference it would make. What diminsions would I look for to find a used 110%?

When I said loosen the forestay, I meant basically loosen the backstay adjuster a bit. That worked on my San Juan pretty well. My rig is fairly loose as well. That probably plays a role. I guess I will start with setting up the rigging again and see what that gives me.

I am pretty sure I have the CDI furler. Looks like it in the pictures anyways. If I can figure out how to post a video I will.

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Response Posted - 06/06/2008 : 07:17:26

The link below was a good discussion on the 250 rudders. I believe the beaching rudder needs to have a modification made (a pin I think) which locks it into the full down position. As I understand it if the rudder slips back at all from the full down position steering problems will occur. I have the third gen rudder and do not care for it. I recently had some interesting conference calls with Frank B. and Gerry D. about this topic.
http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15547&SearchTerms=beaching,rudder
Arlyn's web page might have details on the modification to the rudder.

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Response Posted - 06/06/2008 : 07:33:01

Ok Arlyn does have a great, as usual, how to on the beaching rudder.
http://www.stewartfam.net/arlyn/ruddermod.html
I didn't check his website till after my last post. The pin idea I mentioned was our local Catalina dealer's fix.

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Response Posted - 06/06/2008 : 08:06:15

Yeah I read Arlyn's site. Great resource. I have that planned for this winter but maybe I will pull the rudder off in the water and take it home to work on it.

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Response Posted - 06/08/2008 : 20:00:54

Have you tried raising your centerboard one or two pulls(arm-lengths)? This works for us. Also be sure the mast is perendicular to the boat.

Carl Schroeder C250#75

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Response Posted - 06/10/2008 : 06:08:47

Wife and I went out in light wind monday morning. Much nicer sailing. No problems pulling either way. The wind picked up a little but it was still not as bad. Not sure what I have done differently. Maybe I just trimmed the sails better. Who knows. On our first sail I tried pulling the board back a little. Now I can't get any movement and I haven't been underwater to look at it yet.

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