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got a 150% Jib, ... now what!

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britinusa
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Initially Posted - 05/19/2008 : 21:33:31

Thanks to Kip, I am now the proud owner of a very nice looking used 150% Jib.

Any advice on how to get the most out of it?

TIA.

Paul

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/19/2008 : 22:38:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 Any advice on how to get the most out of it?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

eBay?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 05/20/2008 : 08:29:38

Coaming winches and new genoa track.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 05/20/2008 : 08:44:02

Frank can you explain more on that please.

The J length is 9' so am I right in working with 1.5 * 9 = 13.5' for the length of the sails foot. Is that why you suggest winch and track changes?

Paul

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Response Posted - 05/20/2008 : 10:45:38

Have a friend that "had" a 150 on his 250WK. He had a lot of problems at first with it as it seemed to "overpower" his boat quite a bit. He also had a problem in very light air when tacking as it "swept" the deck and took some "air" to push it over! He "jumped" from a 110 to the 150, so it took a while for him to master it. Once he mastered it, he liked it, but he also had to reef it early.
The reason I said "had" above is that his boat got destroyed earlier this winter

We have had a LOT of snow this winter (150"+) and the building where his boat was stored in collapsed and his boat was totaled!!.... (as well as 90+ other boats!!!) Have not seen pictures of his boat, so not sure what the damage was, but it was totaled by the insurance company.

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Response Posted - 05/20/2008 : 11:33:58

Paul, I can't speak to the issue of needing to move the winches for a 150 but I can say that we have now sailed a couple of times with our coaming-mounted winches and it makes for a much more pleasant experience. I can assist with the sheeting and the crew (Pat) is not caught between the winch and the mainsheet. A much more enjoyable setup.

A longer foot may require a longer track to get the right sheeting angles. Our tracks are already long and nearly reach the bulkhead. Not sure if the WB tracks are the same. If they are then I think your tracks are fine as is.

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Response Posted - 05/20/2008 : 12:31:35

Paul, if you intend to fly that size sail on your 250 I would recommend flying it as a drifter not as permanent jib. I have a 155 that I use in light winds as a drifter and it is really great. The set up requires a block add to the masthead outer position, assuming you have a snapfurl were the jib halyard is in use. Another small block is added to the stem fitting for a tack line led back to the cockpit. The sheet are then run to two more blocks attached to the stantons just aft of the winches and back to the cabin top winches for trimming. I very seldom have to use the winches, but the self-tailing feature allows for not having to add cleats to secure it while under sail. The tack line allows you to fly it above the pulpit and makes it easy to tack by letting out the tack as you start the turn and the pull it across in front of the furler. It takes a little getting use too, like everything else, but once you got it, it is fun to fly. The one thing that would help me that I don't have is a dousing sock. Since I single hand a lot it would make it much easier to bring it in and roll out the 135 almost simultaneously. It is a fun sail with the 150 up to about 8KTS. Above that you get major over powered. Don't ask how I know, just let me say I buried the rail before she started up with neutral rudder.

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Response Posted - 05/21/2008 : 06:52:32

Thanks Jerry,
When we purhcased JD, we opted for the 110% (would have gone for the 135% had I known and researched this forum beforehand). The 150% fits in our CDI furler. I spoke with CDI on the matter and they said my furler will handle the sail with no problems. I mentioned that the drum is already full when I furl in the 110%, (I overroll the sheets at least a half dozen times), and they indicated it would be ok to decore the oversized line.
I know we'll only hoist the 150 when we believe light winds will last for at least a few hours. And it will be furled in quicker than you can say 'blow' when things pick up.

Last year at the BEER cruise in Pensacola, we spent a whole morning in very light winds. I put up an oversized spinnaker just for fun and in those very light winds it made a difference.

My question was more steered towards using the sail and you addressed some of that. The deck sweeping issue is something we'll have to figure out.

There are many times when we wished we had a larger sail than our 110, so this is intended to be a fun addition to our sail kit.

Paul

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 05/21/2008 : 21:34:29

I would not mount a 150 on my furler unless most of the time I sailed in winds under 10kts. When you furl a 150 down to under the 135 range the sail becomes a flat sheet with no shape or driving power. In high winds I don't need driving power, but you do just to keep the boat in balance. Since you have a spin if I did anything I would have the 150 cut down to a 135, assuming the sail is not completely worn out.
Here is a shot of PennyII flying the 155 in the 06 Mug Race. Notice the tack above the pulpit.

The tack line for the 155.

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Response Posted - 05/22/2008 : 05:44:30

I sold the spin to Tom (he has the tall rig!)
Your method of flying the 150 is pretty nifty. I take it you pull the clew all the way around the front when you tack.

Any idea what we would pay for getting it cut down to a 135% ????

Paul

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 05/22/2008 : 16:12:05

You are correct. When the tack command is given we release the tack line and the jib sheet which blows the sail out past the furler then pull the clew across as you turn and tighten the jib sheet. At the turn finish haul in the tack line and it is set.

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Response Posted - 05/22/2008 : 18:40:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Any idea what we would pay for getting it cut down to a 135% ????

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Hey Paul ,

I had a drifter sail cut down ,the luff length was to long .

It cost $225 I didnt shop around the local guy did it

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Response Posted - 05/22/2008 : 20:51:29

I have a sail that the PO claimed was a 150. It came from Catalina when he bought the boat. The sail bag says 155 on it. I took it to the local sail loft and when it was measured, I was told it was more like a 145. I inquired how much it would cost to make it a 135 and was told that it was cheaper to buy a sail. This is a major sail loft in the Dallas/Ft Worth area.

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Response Posted - 05/23/2008 : 06:15:45

we just bought a new 135 from catalina yachts. $839.00. you can probably have it cut down for much less than that.

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Response Posted - 05/23/2008 : 08:08:37

Paul,
The sail is a 150, but because it was cut pretty high for the furler, it probably measures closer to a 145 like JohnMD. When I participated at Nationals a couple of years ago, I remember someone commenting it was cut higher than normal. Personally, I recommend against cutting it. The sail still has plenty of life in it, but, if it doesn't work well for you, your money would be better spent on a new 135.

Until now, I had never thought much about the 250 being a little tender, compared to the Cat 25. For that reason, I think a 110 for high winds, 135 med., and asymmetrical for light, would be ideal.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 05/23/2008 : 10:50:23

Thanks for the insight Kip.
I haven't spread the sail out yet, but it looks in very nice condition (and thank you for the Bag too!)

We're expecting our new engine on Tuesday / Wednesday next week so we'll be putting JD in the water on Friday to start the engine break in over a short weekend. I'll put the new sail up then and see how we do.

Initially I'm going to try using it as intended and replace our 110% jib on the furler. I'm pretty comfortable changing the jib on the water so I don't foresee any problems...

Will let you know how it goes.

Paul

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Response Posted - 08/07/2008 : 18:24:28

I know this is old, but what would you guys use as luff measurement for a spinnaker? Actually for more of a drifter type sail?

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