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Andy_334
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Initially Posted - 02/03/2008 : 09:48:29

I found this on another forum and thought that you fellow racers, who have to live with mouthy foredeckers, might enjoy. (With apologies to Jack Nicolson)
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Bowman: You want answers?

Skipper: I think I'm entitled to them.

Bowman: You want answers?

Skipper: I want the truth!

Bowman: You can't handle the truth! Son, we race on a boat that has head sails. And those head sails have to be set and doused by men with harnesses. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. Trimmer? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for that spin halyard and you curse the foredeck. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that spin halyard’s death, while tragic, probably won the race. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins races...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at the beer tent, you want me on that bow. You need me on that bow.

We use words like “gybe-set”, “Mexican”, “floater”...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent achieving something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to an afterguard that race and win under the very mark roundings I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide them! I'd rather you just said "thank you" and got me a rum drink. Otherwise, I suggest you go down below and pack a ‘chute. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

Skipper: Did you order the Samurai douse?

Bowman: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.

Skipper: Did you order the Samurai douse?

Bowman: YOU’RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!!!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/03/2008 : 11:09:05

Took you a while to post that here....

It will be interesting to see what people think the Samaurai and the Mexican is.(I'm assuming you already know andy.)

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Andy_334
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Response Posted - 02/03/2008 : 20:12:05

Oops. My bad. Three days. I must be slipping.

Oh yes, we know what it is. In fact the FRBO spent some time explaining the reasons why would not be employing the Samurai douse, no matter how extreme the circumstances!

Edited by - Andy_334 on 02/03/2008 20:32:57

Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/03/2008 : 21:34:26

There are times on the bigger boats where its the samurai or the crew. Regardless of the owners wishes

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/03/2008 : 21:37:15

OK, Ill bite, what's a samurai and a mexican?

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Response Posted - 02/03/2008 : 21:46:44

John: Samurai--review the photo above. The Mexican I don't know--I'm guessing similar.

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Andy_334
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Response Posted - 02/03/2008 : 22:06:23

According to North Sails.....

"Mexican take down
Approach the leeward mark on starboard tack approximately 1.5 boat lengths to windward of buoy. When just shy of port lay line gybe the boat and at the same time trim the chute tight on the port side, release the bow sprit and the tack line to allow the kite to be trimmed further aft behind the shrouds, and as the chute blows into the rig release the halyard and drop the chute on the deck. Keep control of the foot and sail to keep it out of the water, steer under sail, tail tack and halyard lines down. This is the most effective take down if done properly. In a Mexican, there is very little time in between the steps and the crew needs to practice the steps to get it down properly and quickly."

Strangely, they make no mention of the Samurai.

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Andy_334
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Response Posted - 02/03/2008 : 22:08:11

Duane, I was assured that on a Capri 25 it would never be bad enough......

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/04/2008 : 07:00:43

Here is some other info I've found on douses included in one story is how it got its name. Many of these require a very practiced crew. The windward for example requires the use of the "human pole" - one of the few times you can actually legally position your upper body outside both lifelines while hanging on a shroud.

Screwing up many of these might result in the need for a Samurai Douse. (or full shrimp nets)

[url="http://sailingmagazine.net/fullby1000.html"]Mexican[/url]

also: [url="http://j44resolute.com/articles/anatomy_of_a_takedown_pt3.htm"]More Mexican[/url]

[url="http://j44resolute.com/articles/anatomy_of_a_takedown_pt2.htm"]leeward takedown[/url]

[url="http://j44resolute.com/articles/anatomy_of_a_takedown_pt1.htm"]windward[/url]

[url="http://j44resolute.com/articles/anatomy_of_a_takedown_pt4.htm"]Letterbox - AKA Chicken[/url]

[url="http://www.northsails.dk/uk/drop.asp"]kiwi[/url]

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/04/2008 : 10:03:48

I always figured a Mexican involved getting your sail wet.

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Andy_334
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Response Posted - 02/04/2008 : 20:32:25

The windward takedown, is a particular favorite of the Jalapeño crew.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/04/2008 : 22:07:52

Back when I used to do this every other night and all weekends we hit a windward takedown if we take the right gate, leeward for the single mark and the floater with an offset rounding mark....which more and more looks like the kiwi douse.

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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 02/05/2008 : 11:50:32

Didn't the Kiwis did a Samurai (once) in the last AC?

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/05/2008 : 11:54:54

Yes. If I recall they did a spin peel and the halyard lock got stuck. They had to send somebody up the mast with the santoku.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 02/05/2008 : 11:57:28

Then they put a second up inside-out.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 02/05/2008 11:58:50

Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/05/2008 : 11:59:13

Yep - peel gone awry

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 02/05/2008 : 12:30:37

E100K deduction from the sponsor!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/05/2008 : 12:36:06

that's the kite made for the rear view mirror advertising.

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Andy_334
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Response Posted - 02/06/2008 : 20:16:28

If we want to talk about ugly spinnakers, I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit this was us in 2004.

Photo courtesy of http://www.dallasjohnson.net/

We typically knot the end of the guy, so we can let the sheet go if we have to. Not this time. We got hit by a roaster of a puff, Skip says "blow it", both trimmer and pole-guy did exactly as requested...... Damn phothog on hand to immortalize the ensuing mayhem!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/06/2008 : 21:42:39

Goood thing the sheet trimmer blew his in harmony or you might have been walking the side of the hull.

Additionally, if your on 417 you have an entirely new set of overlap and and rights issues.....contact with that flailing sheet is still contact

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