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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/27/2007 : 12:12:12

Nice work Duane, gives you a decent feel for where our costs lie in the range.

FWIW, my middle name is Elliott, my last is Gonsalves, maybe list us by our user names or boat name? No idea if you plan to keep up the spreadsheet or not. If so, we're located on Harbor Island, Seattle, Puget Sound. Under "other" you could list the $20/mo fee that's deducted from our $5000 buy in. The calculation's a bit more complex than that, but for comparisons it'll work. We're also required to do one of two work party days per year for marina upkeep (and the women aren't expected to show up unless they're the sole owner...how's that for chivalry?). And it's a public marina (currently owned by the City of Seattle, but we're trying to become private by buying it back from the City).

Probably TMI...

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/27/2007 : 12:22:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Great spreadsheet ! Leaves the door open now for expanding it and adding it sort of to the owners listing. I see possibilities to understand the cost breakdowns and also other attributes that figure into the sailing experience. For example:
How close to a resort area (miles) ?
How close to a major metropolitan area (miles) ?
How close (miles)/time (Hours/minutes) from work ?
How close (miles)/ Time(Hours/minutes) from home ?
Floating slip (Yes/No), Mooring (water taxi service - Yes/No) ?
Access of marina to sailing area (Nautical miles/Feet) ?
Percentage (%) of sailboats to power boats in marina ?
Insurance annual cost
Percentage (%) of sailing time in races versus Cruising time
Sailing days per year (This would be good to compare against distance convenience from homw or work) ?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

And while you're at it, can you make a neural interface? Welcome to feature creep...

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/27/2007 : 14:14:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Champipple
 I did a bit of analysis broke down the number and tried to get a common apples to apples on the docks. If you have additions, changes or adjustments let me know and I will add them to the file.

I did this in Excel 2007 and saved it down a version. If you get an error saying file formats don't match you can ignore the error.

check out
http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/slipanalysis.xls
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My $100 airconditioning sur charge is optional and annual.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 12/27/2007 : 14:24:17

Great spreadsheet! Very interesting facts.

You can put my sailing location as Galveston Bay if you'd like.

GaryB
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stampeder
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Response Posted - 12/27/2007 : 16:02:50

quoted from Champipple
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Canada has a Navy<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Yes, with boats and everything. Check out the second pic from this previous post.
http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1a/

BTW - the Esquimalt Naval Marina has a customs dock and welcomes visitors.

Edited by - stampeder on 12/27/2007 16:04:27

piseas
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Response Posted - 12/27/2007 : 17:29:56

You guys dont know how good you have it! I pay $450/month. My only justification is that I sail 12 months out of the year in Newport Beach, CA. I may sail twice as much or more than most of you.

Steve A

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josh-hansen
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Response Posted - 12/28/2007 : 02:31:04

Great discussion.

As for Nautilus and I, here in Everett Wa (just N of Seattle) we pay $175 a month, for a 26' slip in the West Coast's largest marina, which is $2100 annually. My maintenence is roughly $500, still bringing her back from the dead, and I probably spend $75 in club dues and race fees. That's $2675 a year, but with my racing partner kicking in $1100, my cost is only $1575. We race 11 months out of the year, but no where near 200 times, honestly it's more like 50 outings per year.

I'm not going to do the division though, you can't put a price on sailing.... Comparing sailing to golf? Please, buying a set of clubs is one of the dumbest purchases I've ever made.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 12/28/2007 : 05:59:07

Josh,

You know this thing about how many times sailing and doing/not doing the math to see what it costs per outing kind of reminds me of when I have gone on those typical 7 day or longer commercial cruises and joking about doing the math as to what it costs per hour (including the hours sleeping in the stateroom). For me the sailing is like a hobby as much as it is a sport and many years in the past when perhaps I was only able to go out ..say 25 times or so, I enjoyed it and never thought so much as to the expense, only how to perhaps make more use of it the next year. These days. I am averaging probably about 70 times a year or so. Mostly short 3-4 hour excursions and zero racing. (Maybe some day, I will get involved with racing but I am just happy doing my own thing.)

I guess what really does puzzle me and i am sure others have seen same thing...are those sailboats that seem to never make it out of the marina. Two other sailboats in slips fairly close proximity to my slip, those boats have never made it out of the slip in past 2 years. They are kept in their slips all year long (who knows what is clinging onto the bottom of their boats) and while seaworthy (well at least floating)...one owner, never seen him down there and the other, while he has good intentions, has only been there perhaps 3 days working on his boat. While talking to this one guy (he was working on a graduate degree 2 years ago), I could see his boat looked semi-trashed inside. Definitely had some house-cleaning at the very least before any sailing could possibly be done. The other boat...well looking at the hull, it had not been attended to in many, many years. These guys are paying in excess of $2000 a year and no sailing plus the bottoms (even if in fresh water) must have gobs of slime covering it. I know that everyone has their story and their may be circumstances that kept them from boating. But now at this stage, their boats are so far from being able to be used, that it would be cheaper for them to sell the boat and save the marina fees and then get back into it when they had the time and then "Sail". So...this is the other side of the cost per outing calculation.

Looks like you make great use of your boat ! Enjoy!

Edited by - OLarryR on 12/28/2007 06:03:26

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/28/2007 : 10:05:33

It always seems like the marina is full of boats that never leave their slips... On the other hand, if you get out as many as 70 times, that's only one day out of five. The other four days other people are saying "Look at all those boats--they never seem to go out!" ...and yours is one of them!

(My number has been a whole lot lower than that some years.)

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 12/28/2007 : 11:21:02

True - If you go out 70 days that leaves quite a number of days remaining when it is not sailed. However, that is not counting the days down at the boat doing maintenance, contemplating future projects or whatever. Since my boat is located about 5-10 minutes away from work, I probably average 3-4 days a week on the boat. Last year, one of the marina guys half joking indicated he was going to give me a staff shirt since I am down at the marina so often.

Anyway, good point as far as looking at it from the perspective of all the days remaining in the year. Those boats not used and at probably every marina....you can generally tell which boats they are from their appearance and then the lack of human life forms on all days when we are at the marina.

Oh ! There was another boat I forgot about ! There was a sailboat..another one looking like never used...even worse...looked like it was abandoned. The missing hatch boards with no protection and this being also on days of rain and snow was a sure give-away. I inquired about the boat and was told they had to get rid of it - it was abandoned. I forget exactly how they disposed of it. It was floating and for a brief moment or two, I was thinking of looking it over as a boat in want of someone's hobby time....well not really. (Not sure what mfr or age.)

Edited by - OLarryR on 12/28/2007 11:22:26

Prospector
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Response Posted - 12/28/2007 : 11:49:41

Being new to this, we are saving towards our spring payout... Our budget looks like:

Haul to Marina ............$300
Crane Launch...............$150
Slip Fees (Seasonal rate)..$900
Club Membership............$150 (Family Rate, with racing fees included, PHRF measure and register, and use of club Dinghies)

Although this only totals $1500, we are saving $2000 since we expect surprises along the way.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/31/2007 : 07:26:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by delliottg
 And it's a public marina (currently owned by the City of Seattle, but we're trying to become private by buying it back from the City).

Probably TMI...
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you have work days at a public facility? That is very surprising to me.

I'm holding back on the $20 buck fee b/c it is still coming out of your initiation then ceases. It still sounds a bit like initiation. Let me think about how to handle it - email me details, if you wish.

made some other changes but ran out of time to do them all- spread the word about the thread and we can see what we can put together.

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/slipanalysis.xls

Edited by - Champipple on 12/31/2007 08:12:41

delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/31/2007 : 12:16:53

My understanding on the work parties is that they assess you a fee of $100 if you don't make one of the two that are held each year. Of course they also say they'll kick you out of the marina if your registration tags are out of date too, but the two boats south of me are nearly derelicts, as is the Boston Whaler across the pier from our boat. All of their tags are from 2006 which makes them at least 18 months out of date. I asked about that, and apparently kicking someone out for out of date tags is reserved for folks who don't pay their dues, or are obnoxious to deal with. I guess if you never show up at the marina, you can't be obnoxious. One of the boats has a nearly brand new 8hp Honda on it, maybe I'll trade him for my old Johnson. Not even sure how I'd contact him about it though.

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