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Frank Hopper
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Initially Posted - 12/17/2007 : 13:04:10

... and at my club that happens now. My costs have gone up a lot, mostly due to an increase in things like taxes and insurance but we are also trying to grow and we need cash to do it. so this year I have to pay
dues $340
slip $630
Yard storage 12' wide $185
Electricity surcharge for my airconditioning $100
Crane key $25

That is $1280, up $200 in 2 years.

If I wanted a mooring instead of or in addition to a slip it would be $200

I am "purchasing a life membership so next year is the last year for dues, it is a good thing!

I am really cheap about spending money at the lake but it is still $15 gas round trip and another $10-$20 on food and drink. Thank heavens for a great boat that was affordable.

This is cheaper than golf... right?

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 13:26:04

I am up to $2,400 per year for a 35' slip, electrical minimum and the right to access city water at the marina's ship's store. That is up $400 in 2 years. Running the refer or a/c causes the electrical to surcharge substantially. Purportedly, the increases are being driven by Grand River Dam Authority fees.

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cat1951
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 14:20:25

Sea Trac... You want to buy a nice 1985 C25 in excellent condition?

For those of you who might be new to our site...check out the 2 hull numbers ..Sea Trac and mine...

Edited by - cat1951 on 12/17/2007 14:22:25

1981capri
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 14:25:39

Yes, same here on slip fees.

What I love is the West Marine Club. I can never walk thru the door at that place for less then $25. Even if they don't have what I came in for there is always something that catches my eye that I "NEED". It's amazing how fast a few little shackles and blocks and a piece of line can add up to over $100.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 14:39:23

Funny you mention golf...When asked about why I sail, my canned answer, "Cause it's cheaper than golf!"

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 14:43:54

Our club dues are $350 per year and the moorage is $250 ($10/foot) including shore power and water. That is for March - October. We also have to do 20 hours per year of volunteer work on the grounds, clubhouse, docks, etc. The club does not want boat trailers on the grounds taking up space so they priced trailer storage way high. We pay $25/month at another facility for that.

I feel like this is a great bargain. The club grounds are beautiful, the floating docks are nce wide concrete, shore power and water at the slips and there are races each week, lots of events, etc.

It also cost $750 one-time to join.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 14:59:44

I am beginning to feel very fortunate: Yacht club dues - $140/yr, slip rent - $90/mo. or $990/yr. for up to 26 ft. boat (sailboat marina is a city park facility and has slips for about 160 boats). Replacing all of the dock wiring this year, so I'm expecting the rent to go up at renewal in May. Dry slips are $45/mo. I hear there is a 4-yr waiting list for a wet slip.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:52:08

We pay $145/month for a 30' slip and dues are paid quarterly, a 20amp shore power connection is included in the fee, as is city water. There are two work parties a year but you're only required to go to one. We replaced 50 dockboxes at the last one, as well as a bunch of other stuff. It wasn't really a bad day, and Rita's banana bread went over pretty big as a choice from stale donuts. There is a prorated $5000 (yes five thousand) buy in, but you get that back less $20/month down to a minimum of $2000 at which point you are no longer assessed the $20/mo fee. This was nearly a deal breaker for us, but finding a slip in Seattle is ridiculously hard, when we let our $170/mo slip go on Lake Washington, we had no idea there was a ten year wait to get back in. There's about a three year wait to get into our current marina, but the manager was looking for a 25' boat to fill the 30' slip we're in to give the 43' boat next to use more room to maneuver as he pulls in and out. We simply asked if there was an open slip at exactly the right time, not exactly dumb luck, my friend is in the marina next to us and he saw the slip open. After looking at some of the other marinas in the area, we think we've found one of the better ones, even if it's in the heart of the industrial district. There's no storage, hell, there's not even a head, we have to stroll down to the next marina to use theirs, no ramp, but there is free ice, a work room with a fair number of tools, and some pretty decent people that we've met so far. Oh, and don't forget the freight trains going by 40 yards away night & day and the two cement plants that bracket us.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 17:27:14

We pay $231 a month to the marina (year round) which includes water and electricity. It includes about $9 to the Corps of Engineers for which we get nothing in return (the navigation buoys on the lake sank a few years back and have never been replaced) also includes $7 a month to a government entity called W.O.R.D. supposedly for river clean-up BELOW the dam, which doesn't help us one bit.
Thank heaven the marina management are the best - helpful and courteous.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 18:41:26

I'm filling out permit paper work tonight to build my own dock. I hope to be tied to it sometime this summer.

Edited by - Tom Potter on 12/17/2007 18:43:25

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 18:46:00

David, are you by the West Seattle bridge? By your description it sounds like it.

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ddlyle
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 18:58:40

Yeah ... golf just makes me frustrated and embarrassed.
My slip costs $350/mo. including elect & water. (Hilton Head Island, SC)
But actually the marina is a client of mine (accounting) so I get to trade my time (at retail) for the slip fee and usually I get a check to boot.
I try not to think of the many thousands I have spent over the years keeping my bottom wet because I could have bought several boats with that money.
IF money weren't an issue, and IF I had a big enough truck, I'd buy a Telstar 28 and keep the boat in my yard. But that's okay....my boat gets to bob in the water with the other boats and wonder when her captain will come take her for a spin. The marina is only 4 miles from the house.
I have had a paying charter, and next year expect more charters, so my net expense should go down.
www.STBlues.com
Yup ... heluva lot better than golf, or football, or ice fishing.

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Happy D
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 19:02:02

St. Joseph Michigan, $1600.00 for the season last year. May to September. Deposit required by August the year before, payment due end of January.

They just sold the place to turn it into dockominiums.

I will be sailing in the back yard, forever.
I'll be putting in at Toressen Marine whenever I get the boat done, one hour away, for $1000.00 for the season. No club house, just a marina.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 19:32:09

I pay $105/mth plus electric (last 3 months - $0.26) and get water for free. We've got a very nice lushly landscaped swimming pool, laundromat, 2 club houses with Internet access and big screen TV's w/satelitte, the restrooms are cleaned twice a day and have A/C and Heat (150 feet from my slip), free facility to pump the holding tank, and there's a full service boat yard onsite.

GaryB
'89 SR/WK #5862
Kemah,TX

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 21:31:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Nautiduck: David, are you by the West Seattle bridge? By your description it sounds like it. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Randy,
That's exactly where we are, at the [url="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=113410289865331465424.000001136417780cb2a5c&ll=47.570192,-122.35&spn=0.001922,0.005021&t=h&z=18&om=1"]Jim Clark Marina[/url]. If you are eastbound on the West Seattle Bridge, you could literally toss a rock on our boat, you'd just have to clear the masts of the 43' ketch North of me. The red pushpin is on our slip, but that's not SL in the photo. The boat you can see NE of the bow of the boat in our slip is a really nice Boston Whaler that hasn't moved in so long that there are mussels growing on the hull, and a tree growing in the outboard well. Sad to see, it's probably a $30k boat or so.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 21:44:08

Nautiduck, If your question was directed to me, then the answer is no, I'm in Nashville, not Seattle. If any of you are interested, Google search "Hamilton Creek Marina, Nashville". The city built a fine marina and I don't mind showing it off. We have a nice building fortunately equipped with toilet and shower facilities available year-round, and city water and electric power on the docks.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 21:50:01

How in the world does that guy with the 43' ketch get into that slip next to you? I'd be paranoid that he would hit my boat trying to get in and out of that tight area.

Weatherwise, at least your in a very well protected area.

GaryB
'89 SR/WK #5862
Kemah,TX

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 22:08:51

Looking at the tally, we're doing pretty good.
JD is in her slip, free shore power (no limits), very low cost water (about $2.00 per 1,000 gallons.) Head, Showers a short walk, no risk of other boats bouncing off the sides. Plenty of shore side storage, pretty secure location.

There are plenty of local dinners, reasonable gas is within a couple of blocks and I can get to the boat in about 30 seconds.....

I think we get off pretty cheap compared to the rest of you

Paul

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 : 22:39:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Britinusa: There are plenty of local dinners, reasonable gas is within a couple of blocks and I can get to the boat in about 30 seconds.....<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Yeah, just be careful diving off the boat, you have pretty hard water around it.

As far as getting Totem (the 43 footer) into and out of his slip, Tom can actually single hand it in. Rita & I were installing the new pump faucet in our head one afternoon when he came in. We were absorbed in the work when I saw movement out of the corner of my eye. It was Totem's masts going by as he pulled in. Not a word, no help on the dock, and I don't recall hearing his engine although I'm sure he had it ticking over. If you time your approach into our slips so that the tide is flooding, it's easier to maneuver against the current. If however the tide is ebbing, well, it gets tricky since you have both the tide & current pushing you. Last time I did this, we had a knot of speed on the GPS while registering zero on my knotmeter. I had to back down to slow my approach which we nearly missed, and got uncomfortably close to Totem. He hangs a big round fender off the waist of his boat and we hang three big fenders off of ours, so far no hits. I make sure to park a bit crooked in my slip to maximize the amount of room he has to work with, and I keep my bow as close to the foot of the pier as I can get it. Someday I hope to have his boat handling skills.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 12/18/2007 : 05:19:06

Our marina fees actually came down a bit last year...at least for me. I am in a 32 foot slip and they charge a per foot per month pricing. This past year, they lowered the fees for me and instead of charging me for the dock, they lowered it to charging me based on the boat length. My costs for this past year up to April 08 is $2100. That does not include electric which would be for my length boat - $20/month or $3/day. I do not pay for electric. I basically rely on my 20 watt solar panel and have few electrical loads with biggest being any night-time use of the lights. My 2006 Honda also charges believe at a rate of 6 amps/hr but usually only run it getting in and out of the marina.

My marina is in Wash, DC. They have approx 300 slips with about 10-15% sailboats. They have a gas dock, pumping station and picnic tables/small park arrangement and plenty of parking. They are all floating docks and is tucked between Fort McNair (a small Army Base) and on the other side is the Coast Guard Headquarters Building. It is a well managed marina with security gates and they seem to maintain things pretty well pressure washing and sealing the docks in the spring. They have no lift services or boat repair services with most boat owners either relying on the services of boat mechanics that visit the marina or for the sailboats, we go across the river (Virginia side) to the nearby Washington Sailing Marina which does have full services including their $75 Tuesday Pressure Washing special which I have used. Only thing about our marina is... as soon as you get out of the marina, the close proximity to Wash, DC central with sightseeing boats, Coast Guard, DC Harbor Police, a nearby air station w/constant helicoptor patrols, Natl Reagan Airport and etc other facilities nearby, it is not one of the quietest areas nor is the air that sweet smelling natural scenery aroma......but it is interesting and very convenient to work being about 5-10 minutes away and in the direction to go home. So...it is a compromise sailing in this area but has the benefit that I could potentially be down every day to go sailing or if doing an hour or so of maintenance then can still get home in time for dinner.

Edited by - OLarryR on 12/18/2007 05:30:27

brrit
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Response Posted - 12/18/2007 : 06:38:18

I am paying $145 a month with free water and electricity. There are no annual dues.

There is a yacht club that one can join for another $90 a month with a $30 food min. which provides dining priviledges, cleaner bathrooms with showers, and more get-dressed-up socials. I opted out of the club membership with the four little ones.

Older slip in good condition. Two finger slip, so no worries about me crashing into someone else's boat or vice versa. There a decent bathrooms close to the slip. A playground for when the kids get bored and there is work to be done. Nice group of folks around as well.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 12/18/2007 : 07:59:08

The admiral just reminded me of the true cost of keeping JD in the yard.

It costs us about 5 hours of trailing/prep/deprep every trip!!!

We looked into fees for the marina, $340 per month with a 4 year waiting list.

Paul

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/18/2007 : 08:44:50

Paul,

Have you looked into dry slip options?

At my marina, I think they have around 150 dry slip spots which run about $300.00 per season.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/18/2007 : 09:15:53

Some condos maintain pools and common buildings; mine maintains docks with a slip for each unit. The majority are empty, and we can't rent them out. The slip (for up to 35'), water, and electric are "free" (bundled into the condo fee, which is comparable to the others around here with no docks, and less than most of the numbers above). Essentially, a majority of the residents here are chipping in to pay for my dockage! Unfortunately, my C-25 couldn't fit under the 25' highway bridge to get here, so...

2 BR, 2-1/2 baths 50 yards away... Starbucks and Dunkin a couple of hundred more... The river is a little "harder" right now than in this picture...

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 12/18/2007 09:39:38

GaryB
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Response Posted - 12/18/2007 : 09:18:32

Hey Bryan,

What marina are you in?

GaryB
'89 SR/WK #5862
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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/18/2007 : 09:22:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Britinusa: The admiral just reminded me of the true cost of keeping JD in the yard.

It costs us about 5 hours of trailing/prep/deprep every trip!!!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Paul,
That's exactly the reason we got our slip, even after a weekend, it was still a slog to get the boat ready to trail, then a 45 minute to one hour drive home afterwards, then getting alongside the house usually in the dark. We'd be exhausted & irritable at the end of the weekend instead of relaxed.

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