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Tom Potter
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Initially Posted - 12/05/2007 : 18:27:53

Mariners School has now made getting your Captain license easier than ever. They've put their Captain License Course ON-LINE! How cool is that.

You can now take the course sitting at your computer at home (or work)

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[url="http://www.marinersschool.com/"]Mariners School[/url]

Just click on the "Now Available On-line" on the top right of their page.

1997 250 TR WK (sold)
1984 O'Day 28 (sold)
1979 SISU 22
Bath, NC.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 21:03:44

Okay so for my 3 boat units (6 boat units for you guys with 25 footers) I get this piece of paper and then what? It says the class is in lieu of the test, but if I recall you need a number of logged hours, and maybe a physical and specimin jar...Is that correct?

Still pretty cool

Edited by - Champipple on 12/05/2007 21:04:16

JimB517
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 22:54:48

You also need a current first aid certificate with CPR endorsement

You need to pass a drug test

You need 2 letters of recommendation

You need to document 360 days at sea for your 6 pack (OUPV) or
720 days at sea for a 25, 50 or 100 ton. You need at least 360 of those for the sailing endorsement. You have to document inland versus ocean time.

Passed USCG 50 ton, towing and sailing endorsement 2 years ago.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 22:58:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Champipple
 ...I get this piece of paper and then what? It says the class is in lieu of the test, but if I recall you need a number of logged hours, and maybe a physical and specimin jar...Is that correct?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Per their description of the classroom course:

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Once the student passes our multiple choice exam, he or she will receive a Mariners School certificate recognized by the United States Coast Guard.

Simply submit, within one year, the original certificate along with your application package and applicable fees to the USCG Regional Exam Center. Upon their approval of your package, they will send you your original License.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 23:32:07

The online option is interesting, but I'd like to get the classroom experience... Around CT, it looks like my choices are SeaSchool and Mariners School. Anybody have any comments on one versus the other?

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 09:35:28

I forgot one more thing, you have to pass a medical exam.

Dave, if you take the test, I would suggest a classroom. I used Maritime Academy here and learned from a retired US Navy Commander. He had a lot of things to teach besides what is on the test.

I can't imagine how you would learn and pass the charting test on line.

USCG test is very antiquated, I think mostly the knowledge is not useful today, especially the charting. Rules of the Road are good. Deck and Seamanship is good.

Let me set the bar. On the final 7 hour test I missed only 1 question (the difference between temporary and permanent line whipping).

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 09:50:47

I might take a shot at your record... US Maritime Academy is "coast-to-coast" ...if you consider Cleveland to be the East Coast.

(No, Duane...

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 10:39:09

Does anyone have a picture/example of what a 100 ton vessel might look like?

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 10:46:19

Its been a while since I took a test on navigation, I would need to dust off the tools. I took 2 years of marinelogy back in the 70's while in high school, our text book was Chapman. Our HS even had its own 50' trawler. I recall our final test in class was morse code. That was long time ago lots of dust has settled on the old mind since then.
Have plenty of sea time from my days working on commercial fishing boats and 20 years in the Navy. Just would have document some current time. I'm a CPR instructor at work, get a physical every year anyway. Heck that's most of the requirements. Just need to make the time.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 10:55:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 Does anyone have a picture/example of what a 100 ton vessel might look like?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Here's the last ship I was stationed on, Emory S. Land, (Sub Tender) she was 646 feet long, 85 feet beam and had a draft of 26 feet. ONLY 23,000 tons. A 100 tons is BIG!

Edited by - Tom Potter on 12/06/2007 11:03:47

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 11:32:06

As I recall, a ship's "tonnage" is not its displacement or weight, but the volume of the enclosed spaces of the ship (hull and superstructure) measured as one ton per 100 cubic feet. So, 100 tons is 10,000 cubic feet. A 75' boat with an average 20' beam and 7' height in the hull would be around "100 tons". I think that calculation works for the ship above, if you estimate the vertical capacity. (600 * 80 * 50 / 100 = 24000 tons.)

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 12/06/2007 11:41:37

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 11:50:03

Tom... I occasionally see those ships off Groton, next door. I also frequently have to STAY WAY THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY as subs enter or leave New London Harbor--the warnings are on Ch 16. (You also get the idea when a black gunboat comes toward you.)

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 12/06/2007 11:53:33

delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 11:52:17

So, a couple of years at sea on a tin can will count towards this, even if I had nothing to do with driving, navigating, etc?

BTW, this is my ship at 4500 tons or so: [url="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/USS_Barney_%28DDG-6%29.jpg"]USS Barney DDG-6[/url]

Took down the picture, it was huge. I may well be in this picture, it was taken while I was on board and it looks like we were doing highspeed turns drills (look at the wake), which I remember doing in the Caribbean in the mid 80's.

Found a copy that wasn't so obnoxiously huge:

Edited by - delliottg on 12/06/2007 12:02:49

Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 11:59:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 I might take a shot at your record... US Maritime Academy is "coast-to-coast" ...if you consider Cleveland to be the East Coast.

(No, Duane...

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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

North Coast Dave

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 12:27:39

EM2 Gonsalves,

This was my boat...

USS Mobile Bay

FC1 Lucier

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 12:34:34

How do you know my rate & rank? Just curious, I'm listed on a couple of ex-USN sites, so it's not like it's a secret or something.

Cool picture though.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 15:37:14

He may claim he is an FC1 Lucier but in reality his name is Verner Montrose and he works for a few various branches of the military industrial complex that we don't like to talk about and that exists nowhere on any map.

Of course he could have googled you and gotten lucky...

There is also a AMS2 D. Gonsalves fixing blue angels too.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 15:37:33

The 85 foot open party fishing boats here are considered 100 ton. Yes, your time on any vessel, even as a deckhand or cook, counts towards the sea time. But you have to document it.

I had a 40 foot trawler which is why I only qualified for 50 ton.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 18:01:29

The C-25 is barely a 5-tonner, if that. So what does that qualify us for?

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 18:13:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 The C-25 is barely a 5-tonner, if that. So what does that qualify us for?
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USCG documentation?

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 19:06:21

If all you had was 720 days time on a C-25 you would get the 25 ton, that is the lowest ticket above the OUPV.

25 ton drivers operate water taxis and the like.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 19:12:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by delliottg
 How do you know my rate & rank?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

[url="http://www.uss-barney-ddg6.org/Roster/roster_2.htm"]USS Barney Crew Roster D-H[/url]

It appears you may be shaving with your old boat...

Edited by - dlucier on 12/06/2007 19:16:57

dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 19:41:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 Yes, your time on any vessel, even as a deckhand or cook, counts towards the sea time.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

So I could be a scullery worker on a ship who has never even piloted a dinghy, be healthy, know CPR, take a week or two cram course, pass a test, run out that day and rent a 40ft boat, then take six unwitting paying strangers out for a three hour tour!...Scary!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 20:07:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 The C-25 is barely a 5-tonner, if that. So what does that qualify us for?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
USCG documentation?

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and a six pack

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 22:52:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
It appears you may be shaving with your old boat...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yeah, we tried pretty hard to find someplace that wanted the Barney as a museum ship, but several abortive attempts got us nowhere, and BUSHIPS was determined to break her up. We managed to get some decent souvenirs before they took the cutting torch to her and auctioned them off to crew members as mementos. Currently there are only a few Adams class boats left in the world, and the only ones currently in service are all in foreign navies. I think the only US Adams class still around is the Adams which is on donation hold till March of next year, and who knows if she'll be scrapped as well.

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saribella
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Response Posted - 12/08/2007 : 23:36:53

Unfortunately, my last ride is at the bottom of the Pacific.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_La_Moure_County_(LST-1194)

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