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DaveR
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Initially Posted - 10/15/2007 : 08:28:43

I've only had the 150 genoa out 3 times and am still having a heck of a time stowing it. Take it off the boat? Just stuff it? Any tricks or tips would be greatly appreciated!

Dave Robbins
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/15/2007 : 09:50:52

Firstpull the clew back along the side decks and fold the foot under, next go to the bow and orient every flake to the same side.

go back to the clew and while working your way along the side of the boat, "pop" each flake fold back toward the clew to get the flakes neatly stacked.

finally, go back to the clew one last time and fold/flop the sail forward to the bow,

Then simply unhank and stow in your bag or bow bag.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 10/15/2007 09:51:58

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 10/15/2007 : 14:05:14

For folding on the boat, I've found it easiest to let both sheets loose and bring the clew back toward the stern between the mast and the shrouds. Pull it back to take out the slack, then work your way forward s-folding the sail by following the sail's luff (leech?), i.e. the edge of the sail laying on top. As you work your way forward, keep a little tension on the sail fabric. Then go back to the clew and roll it up to the forestay.
At this point you can bag it, or simply take the bundle and drop it through the forward hatch onto the v-berth, depending on how soon you are planning to sail again.
If there are 2 or more of you, take it off and s-fold it on the dock, being careful about wood splinters getting caught in the sewing.
Also, see the pictures above.

Edited by - dmpilc on 10/16/2007 20:56:27

Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/15/2007 : 15:11:40

The Catalina 25, 150 genoa is really really small....relatively speaking of course - Unfortunately the working room to do anything is even smaller.

Do not stuff the sail - that is the absolute worst thing you can do. Unlike spinnakers, sleeping bags and the like the cloth on a headsail is much thicker and will crease and cause wear.

Either Roll it, which takes up a lot of storage room but will extend the life immensely or Flake it. If you flake it, your best bet is to take it off the boat.

We used to have a really short dock and a nice lawn. Edgewater's docks measure 1/4 mile long and we are near the end so we've come up with the following flaking methods-

To flake it try bringing the foot and clew inside the shrouds and all the way back along the cabintop. Flake as best as possible then fold from the clew to the tack. If you are alone Leave the hanks on and work from the aft going forward to straighten out all the flakes prior to removing the sail from the forestay.

Our best method didn't come to us until we started using a 155 on the O'day 30. We put the entire foot on the dock and flake normally. Two crew members hold the sail over their heads while on the boat so that it clears the posts on the dock. This requires a good amount of crew however.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 10/16/2007 : 15:54:04

Thanks Guys, and for the pics Frank. I did go down to the boat today, hanked the Genny on and did exactly what David and Duane said and Frank illustrated:) It was still a bit of a wrestling match because the sail is so new and slippery, but I won the match. With some practice I'm sure it will get a lot easier.

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Response Posted - 10/16/2007 : 20:21:25

Start saving your shekels for a roller furler... Then, as you're sailing along, you pull the string, and presto--the genny disappears! (...or just gets smaller.) You might also want to have the 150 cut down to a 135 with a higher clew for the furler. It's a very nice cruising sail on the C-25.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 10/16/2007 : 21:21:54

I know they're great Dave, but I like the physical aspect of the hank on and with sailing in general, at least with this size boat

I am going to have it trimmed up a foot and 1/2 or so though so I can add a length of line on the bottom so it clears the lifeline.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/16/2007 : 21:30:04

"The Young and the Restless..."

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 10/16/2007 : 21:41:30

I recently tore the better of my two worn out 110 hank on jibs... and will have to order a new one for spring arrival. I have a 150 but have not used it this year because its been too windy. I also have a tough, new little storm jib, which I've used in several 20+ knot adventures this year.
I understand (please correct me if I'm mistaken) that a correct sized hank on jib will perform better than a roller furler jib that has to be partially furled to compensate for wind conditions.
The last three times we've sailed the wind has been 20+ knots. On the day that our jib tore, we had winds that registered as a moderate gale on our wind meter. (16.5 meters per second or 33.6 knots)
We hoisted our storm jib and scooted along very nicely. I wonder what the effect would have been on a partially furled jib in those conditions.
I appreciate the info on sail stowage - because we have been stuffing our sails into sail bags.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 10/16/2007 : 22:17:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stampeder
 ...On the day that our jib tore, we had winds that registered as a moderate gale on our wind meter. (16.5 meters per second or 33.6 knots)
We hoisted our storm jib and scooted along very nicely. I wonder what the effect would have been on a partially furled jib in those conditions.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Thirty three knot winds would have had no effect on my furling headsail because it would have been safely rolled up in the slip.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/17/2007 : 07:29:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stampeder
 ...On the day that our jib tore, we had winds that registered as a moderate gale on our wind meter. (16.5 meters per second or 33.6 knots)
We hoisted our storm jib and scooted along very nicely. I wonder what the effect would have been on a partially furled jib in those conditions.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Thirty three knot winds would have had no effect on my furling headsail because it would have been safely rolled up in the slip.
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AMEN! But you're right about performance, Mike, and for that kind of craziness a heavier storm jib will take the punishment better than a partially-rolled medium-weight genoa (like your torn jib). (Now let's talk about your poor mains'l...

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Edited by - Dave Bristle on 10/17/2007 07:31:36

stampeder
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Response Posted - 10/17/2007 : 12:08:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">(Now let's talk about your poor mains'l... )
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I have some videos of that sailing adventure. will post to YouTube shortly.

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