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Bubba
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Initially Posted - 10/08/2007 : 18:40:28

I went to the Annapolis Sailboat Show today and took these pictures of the C-250 MK II.

I haven't noticed the spreaders attached this way before. Maybe someone knows if this is new?

The only thing new I noticed in the cabin is the opening ports, which I didn't quite get in the pictures.

I don't think the head has changed since my '97 model, so I didn't take a picture of it.

Someone familiar with the 2007 model might want to make some observations about what's new on the MK II.

If you're interested in higher resolution pics for zooming in, here are links to 1600x1200 versions running betwween 500 mb to 800 mb each:
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[url="http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davendeb/250_H_res/spreaders.jpg"]spreaders[/url]
[url="http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davendeb/250_H_res/forward_cabin.jpg"]forward cabin[/url]
[url="http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davendeb/250_H_res/aft_cabin.jpg"]aft cabin[/url]
[url="http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davendeb/250_H_res/galley.jpg"]galley[/url]
[url="http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davendeb/250_H_res/stove.jpg"]stove[/url]

Dave & Deb

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mhartong
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Response Posted - 10/08/2007 : 19:25:41

Nice pictures!!!

Persephone is an Oct 2006 (Model Year 2007) build.

The new items I noticed are
1) the opening port light,
2) the translucent deck hatch,
3) the new spreader attachment,
4) the tan fabric on the settee and v berth.
5) The battery off-1-both-2 switch is located in a different location. Persephone's is located just above sole level on the aft riser from the level of the cabin sole to the level of the aft berth) (This may only because Persephone has a diesel

The stove and cooler are the same make and model as on Persephone. The spot lights over the table are also the same silver color, as are the red-white lights are the same. As indicated, there seemed to be no differences in the head. Still the same floral pattern on the aft berth cushions. At the location where the VHF radio (I think it was an ICOM 304) is installed is a nice access plate in the liner.

Externally its basically a 2007 model year vessel with some cosmetic updates. What would be interesting to find out if there were any structural improvements or modifications. The person who was showing the vessel tried to be helpful, but it was apparent that this particular make and model wasn't their strongest suit

Mark

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 10/08/2007 : 19:36:39

It looks like the only changes from my '99 is the stove (- -), ports (+ +), hatch (+ -) and the teak fiddles (+) around the galley counter. Mine are plastic. I agree with Arlyn (of course). The "Mark II" is a marketing thing.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 10/08/2007 : 19:48:17

Couple things I noticed.

They changed the direction the anchor locker opens, this is good because it was always getting caught on the furler line.

The one big thing I noticed is, no more coaming pockets. I guess they took the easy way to stop the leaks.

I also noticed that the jib tracks run at a little different angle than mine.

Edited by - Tom Potter on 10/08/2007 20:09:47

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 10/08/2007 : 20:04:30

Three things. The lack of coaming boxes is a big loss and incredibly dumb in my opinion. Two, they must have a lot of that hideous aft berth fabric since they are still using it!

Three, the fuel locker is hinged and I like that.

Edited by - Nautiduck on 10/08/2007 20:12:13

britinusa
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Response Posted - 10/08/2007 : 22:17:29

The 2005 model (WB) does not have that steel tube for the electrics, there are no wires into the galley area. (I installed power to the stereo that is now mounted on the fwd face of the galley.

I could not see the back of the table. Does it still have the cut out that would allow it to be removed (the WB table has a cut fwd of the mast.)

Paul

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 10/08/2007 : 22:20:11

Thanks for the pics... I was especially interested in the pic of the forward hatch.

The fuel locker has been hinged for a few years.

The coaming boxes used to be optional and might still be available.

Again, the forward hatch would not make me happy as I anchor out a lot and the hatch does not look at all friendly to handling ground tackle. For those who slip all the time, it is probably fine though I'd keep a sheet over the V berth cushions to protect them from UV damage.

Looks like the MKII is mostly about the side ports and forward hatch... not very much, and again in my opinion the forward hatch is practically regressive for any one that will set an anchor.

The jury is out on how much cross wind ventilation is afforded by the small ports, likely not much.

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 00:13:08

Bubba
Thanks for taking the time to take and post the pictures.
Sure beets Catalina web site 1936 pictures.They realy keep that web page updated.
The backstay mounted on the port cat seat looks interesting.
Seems there is new mast rasing modifications also.

The windows on my 2004 C250 had style and on the 2007-8 the windows and ports design, I think was a draftsman error or in today's terms computer error.
If Catalina puts anymore port holes on the side I would think it was a Buick.
On my C310 has side ports and am not to sure if I ever felt a breeze but my wife used them while at the dock for yelling....WALK THE DOG,GO UP TO THE STORE FOR A BOTTLE OF WINE and QUITE TALKING AND COME IN HERE AND HELP ME.

The anchor hatch latch shown is where I put a fairlead for the jib furling which almost was almost 90 degrees to the drum, but now you can run the line under the latch.

That front hatch has me thinking too hard on how it works and if I could open it up from inside. Maybe it is for the grandkids only.
Hey Kevin nether you or I could get Threw it anyway.

Remember these are just thoughts and not top drawer opinions.

paulj

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 07:25:18

I'm not so sure the backstay is on the catbird seats. Isn't that the stay just to the centerline of the mainsheet in Pic 3 (cockpit). The clamp on the stbd seat rail looks to be for something else. The larger pic shows it better. If the stay were attached to the catbird seat, then I would expect it to be via the simple wraparound rail attachment rather than that big chunk of metal on the seat in the pic.

Paul

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 07:57:09

Is the full Lexan main hatch gone and replaced by a fiberglass one with a small square portlight?
RE photo 1
Note the new profile of the 250 is in the family with the new 320

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 10/09/2007 08:02:41

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 10:14:55

Looking at that Lexan hatch, I'm now thinking they should put it on the front of the cabin trunk (like their other models and, incidentally, the C-25) in place of the ugly (IMHO) Hunter windshield. That'd get it out from under Arlyn's feet and provide plenty of light and air. They might have to revise the mold to make that surface a little less vertical to get the space...

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 10:17:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Frank Hopper
 Note the new profile of the 250 is in the family with the new 320...]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...and the newer 309. Interchangeable parts.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 10/09/2007 10:18:38

delliottg
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 11:48:47

I noticed there is no side access panel on the starboard settee into the storage space under the sink. We use this all the time, it's where we store people & dog treats, as well as access to the propane line to the stove.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 12:33:29

David that side panel must have went away between our hull numbers.
My 1997 #321 doesn't have the side panel.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 12:36:01

Looks like a new method of attaching the lower shrouds to the mast. I think the rubber bung has been ditched.

Paul

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piseas
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 13:26:37

Dave, what is the MSRP? Any increases?

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:41:42

I bought my boat (a 2006 250WK with trailer) in Dec of 2005. Recently, I had to ask my dealer to quote the replacement cost for my insurance company. It was $10,000 more!

Before you completely freak out in disbelief, there are two things going on here. One, I am in Washington, on the west coast. I bought one of the last LA built 250s. Now they are built in Florida. So that adds $6000 in transportation costs, something you might be interested to know if you live in the west.

The other $4000 is price increases in the last two years.

Quoting the absolute price is probably useless, because configurations vary, but my boat (with trailer, teak and holly sole, 135 jib, WITHOUT motor, with a few other small options I can't recall, commissioned in Washington, would be $43,000.

Yow.

Kevin

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piseas
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 18:13:57

Yow is right. I didnt know they they no longer built in CA. Bummer for us west coasters.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 20:44:40

Dave, I agree that the forward slope should be the place for the hatch but I can see a problem that may be insurmountable putting it there.

As you suggest, the slope would have to be shallowed but remember there are no side decks, the way forward is over the coach roof and the way down onto the foredeck has to be a reasonable step.

I accidentally stepped on the slope once and paid a severe price for doing so.

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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 21:02:27

Sure hope that spreader attachment yoke is not bio degradable... Our (now deceased) chevy blazer had a plastic A/C jacket, after 10 years it literally fell apart due to degradation of the plastic.

Paul

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 22:01:14

Arlyn: First, I'm not sure the angle slope is that different on the C-250 and the C-25. (The C-25 hatch is not square.) Second, the area on both sides of the hatch could be non-skid, which would be safer than the windshield you slipped on. (Even smooth fiberglass would be.) Third, it would give you your room... Fourth, and most importantly, it wouldn't look like a Hunter.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 10/09/2007 : 22:06:11

Dave, we like to think it has a certain "Euro" look. Hunter, bah!

Edited by - John Russell on 10/09/2007 22:06:38

Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 10/10/2007 : 05:55:50

A few more thoughts on the hatch.

Will the hatch open fully enough for kids to protrude when family sailing. My grandkids love to open the hatch fully laying it back on the deck so they can play in the V berth and ride on their knees with two of them protruding.

Also, I sleep in the V berth because it has far better ventilation, is easier to get in and out and because it offers an easy look about several times during the night to check that all is well.

Do the air struts allow the hatch to open far enough? Do the hinges and strut hookups allow the hatch to be laid open?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/10/2007 : 14:35:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Arlyn Stewart
 Do the air struts allow the hatch to open far enough? Do the hinges and strut hookups allow the hatch to be laid open?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I believe I have the same hatch on my Eastern... The "struts" are not pneumatic--they have little thumb wheels to tighten them in position. (Pneumatics wouldn't adjust quite as well--they'd want to be fully open or closed.) And the answer is "No"--it opens to approximately vertical--no further.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/10/2007 : 14:58:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 Dave, we like to think it has a certain "Euro" look. Hunter, bah!

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">John, one thing I liked about Catalinas was that they hadn't gone "Euro"... With the new ovoid portlights (not to mention Hunter windshields), I have one less thing now. Guess I'll have to wish for a Valiant or Hinckley or something...

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Russ.Johnson
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Response Posted - 10/13/2007 : 00:05:15

Here's a few other things I noticed that are different from my 2004 WB.

In picture-4, The mast light changed. The deck light (pointing down) has been removed.
I have a Steaming light pointing forward and a Deck light pointing down in the same unit.

In picture-3, the outboard mount is reinforced with starboard and flat.
Mine is reinforced with stainless and a lip to catch the outboard from slipping.
I had my outboard slip once while motoring in following seas.

The aft lifeline has the pelican hook forward. Mine had the pelican hook aft.
The dealer said the hook should be aft to prevent the lifeline from falling overboard and wrapping around the prop.
I switched mine to have the hook forward anyway.

The port stern rail seat has a barbecue mounting bracket. I have the same one.

Paul, you make an interesting point about the galley pipe (picture-7)
On my 2004, the pipe is used for the propane line.
Since the stove is Butane, the pipe must be used for electrical.
Because the starboard cockpit locker no longer has the propane tank, they removed the leaky coaming pockets.

Russ #793

Edited by - Russ.Johnson on 10/13/2007 00:06:36

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