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Ericson33
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Initially Posted - 09/26/2007 : 12:20:29

I would like to ask the question if the Capri 25 has been adopted into the association, being that it's been in a 3 year trial period.

I have read that the Nationals will be in OKC this year, and with the club being only 70 miles to the north west I would like to get our boat into shape and race in the Nationals.

If the boat is still in it's Trial period please update all of the Capri 25 owners as how the board stands letting us into the Association. I don't want to get to Nationals, or prepare or boat if I can not race, and I don't want to see what happened last year.

There is a good chance I can round up 3 boats from our club to make the trip :)

Please Educate me

C.S. McKillip
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Edited by - Ericson33 on 09/26/2007 12:23:28

Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/26/2007 : 12:30:22

The inclusion was automatic subject to an action against it, there has been no motion to stop it so you are in. See you in OKC.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 09/26/2007 12:30:50

SailCO26
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Response Posted - 09/26/2007 : 14:19:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Capri25
 I don't want to get to Nationals, or prepare or boat if I can not race, and I don't want to see what happened last year.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Chris:

What happened last year?

Thx,
Jim

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/26/2007 : 14:28:27

The Capri 25 was not an official Association boat last year, we did not have a nationals title for them to compete for. This year will be the first year for a Catalina 25-250 Capri 25 Association Capri 25 trophy, you can be the first name on the traveling trophy!
The Capri was welcome to come and race in 07 but it would not have been listed in the results.

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 09/26/2007 : 14:35:23

Gotcha, thanks.

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tbosch
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Response Posted - 09/26/2007 : 16:58:45

Too bad you aren't close to the Twin Cities in MN. There is a really stong racing fleet of Capri 25s on Lake Minnetonka in Wayzata, MN. The have weekly club races for the fleet of 30 Capri 25s. My understanding is that this might be the biggest fleet anywhere.

http://www.wyc.org/capri25/fleet.htm

Todd
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Response Posted - 09/26/2007 : 19:19:20

They are certainly the gold standard for regional fleets, there is a lot to admire about their program.

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saribella
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Response Posted - 09/27/2007 : 20:10:34

Hey Frank,, why is it that the gold standard have yet to post the results of their "one design championships" being that is was 3 weeks ago? Always an island unto themselves, and I do not see things ever changing. Don't let them fool you, tbosch, as the only thing to admire about the WYC fleet is their numbers. Participation is not their strong suit.

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Response Posted - 09/27/2007 : 20:33:46

Matt - I wouldn't read to much into the posting of results. Cleveland Race Week has yet to post results for 2006. Mentor Harbor Yacht Club hasn't posted results of a major long distance race from eons ago in the season. I think the contructive thing to do is put together a program that they envy and want to attend, not worry about what they do.

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saribella
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Response Posted - 09/27/2007 : 20:59:44

I read alot into the failure to post the results. It speaks directly to the WYC fleets interest in participating with this association as well as this associations [past] interest in facilitating that participation. I am not speaking about a major regatta, but a small "one design championship" where it seemed as though one WYC member was interested enough to follow through with an invitation & posted a NOR. A flag officer of this association even replied with encouragement and yet another futile invitation for them to join the association. The WYC has posted the results: http://www.wyc.org/Results/schedule.asp and there are even great race photos: http://www.dallasjohnson.net/WYC.htm . Call me crazy, but it would have been just about this hard to copy/past this information. I am not being cynical just for cynicism sake, but the reality is that Capri 25 as a one design [as it has never been with Catalina support]is DOA as far as this association is concerned if the status quo remains. It is undeniable.

Edit: I would also like to add that this association has a really solid opportunity to effect change with the belated inclusion of the Capri 25 in the Nationals. I suggest the Flag Line make every effort, whatever that entails, to encourage the WYC's participation in the 08' Association Nationals.

Edited by - saribella on 09/27/2007 21:07:02

Ericson33
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Response Posted - 09/27/2007 : 21:28:50

I have been trying for several years to get wyc involved with anything we have done as a group. My thoughts are they are dock sailors associating within their own group. We have been without the support of wyc for a long time. This topic seems to always find it's way into any racing thread about the Capri.

I have given allot of effort into the Capri, and as long as I own the boat I will support any kind of association that helps permote the boat. I was going to reply about franks comments about wyc, but at this time the only thing wyc is good for is not returning emails. I have read other post about wyc and the Capri, and from what I have read it's bumper boats.

Everyone has their thoughts about the club , this association, and the support.

Matt you want to come race?

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saribella
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Response Posted - 09/28/2007 : 00:17:39

Chris,

I will probably be running multiple programs next year , and have yet to decide whether or not send the other boat and crew, but I would not count on it unless both programs are flush with cash. Realistically, it would cost between $2K & $4K for just one boat to do the Nationals from my location. It seems rather cost prohibitive to go to the Nationals so far away, during a two day charity regatta. Do not misunderstand me, I am not knocking the decisions to hold the regatta in OC, or in conjunction with the charity event; but let me put it in the following terms. Oklahoma City, +-917 miles one way. Is there wind late June in Oklahoma City? Not that there is here either, but that is 1834 miles and 4 days of travel plus fuel and expenses to float around for only 2 days of racing. Is there a guarantee that the lake will draw enough water to be able to splash and race? Will there be more than 15 boats (Capri's)on the line? How many races will be run over the two days? Has the Association Race committee secured any sponsors to defray costs once we are all there? Am I going to have to haul out every evening and splash every morning or will I have to get a slip? What are those costs? What facilities and amenities are offered at the OCBC? What is that cost? When will the NOR be published? There are still a lot of unknowns that need to be answered before I could begin to commit a boat to anything like this. Either way, I will not be at the nationals, personally, as I am committed to racing Saribella in the Tripp Memorial/Queens Cup Regatta that same weekend as part of the LMSRF Area IV offshore series. Thanks for asking just the same, Chris. I, more than anyone would love to attend the first ever Capri Nationals, and will help any way I can to facilitate participation. I just do not know how many others would be willing to travel to OC for 2 days of racing, but I will help with any effort to encourage participation, get the word out, and/or locate potential participants.

As a related side note, in the future it would behoove the Association to move this event to very early June or late August/early September to increase the likelihood that there will be plenty of breeze for the event and increased participation. I have to believe that individual family/work schedules are a little more flexible during these periods as well. Also, the Association should gravitate to securing individual club sponsorship for the Nationals vs. piggy-backing on other events. There would be fewer associated costs, headaches, and more flexibility by doing it that way.

Edited by - saribella on 09/28/2007 00:21:00

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