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Garelick outboard bracket which one

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cat78
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Initially Posted - 09/16/2007 : 07:03:25

I am replacing my 9.9 2 stroke with 4 stroke and due to the weight and torque I have decide to replace the outboard bracket as well. Garelick makes 2 brackets one has a 15.5 inch drop and the other a 9.5 inch drop. The 15.5 inch drop is quite a bit heavier as well as quite a bit more expensive. Since they seem to be the only ones that make this type of bracket, has anyone replaced thier old bracket with one of these, which one, and how did it work out.

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Response Posted - 09/16/2007 : 07:18:36

Dave, there was a big write up about OB Brackets in the Sept. Practicl Sailor.

They quoted 3 Garelick brackets. All had max carry weight over148lbs

They had vertical lifts, 15.5", 14", 13.25"

The costs are amazing, from $310 through $1,250!!!

So I'm guessing you are not referring to those models?

Paul

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Response Posted - 09/16/2007 : 08:38:45

Another option is a Garhauer mount from Catalina Direct.

[url="http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=84"]Catalina Direct Motor Mounts[/url]

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Response Posted - 09/16/2007 : 10:08:03

Commodore Frank Hopper is your man... Frank???

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Response Posted - 09/16/2007 : 12:06:13

Beware of where this range of motion on the Garelick bracket occurs. I have the heavy duty model for 140 lbs on my boat. the range of motion is from a level to vertical position. I modified mine to drop below vertical by moving the location of the pin which holds the adjustment bracket. Now I can drop it below vertical. I'm sure it voids any warranty. You must be able to drop your prop lower if you are going to be in any kind of seas. The Garhauer, which is sold direct, or by Catalina Direct will drop below vertical, I believe. This model with 4 springs was not available at the time of my purchase. If I were to buy a new bracket, that is the one I would get.
Call Garelick and speak to the tech dept and have them send you a drawing of the range of motion and you will see what I'm talking about.

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Response Posted - 09/16/2007 : 14:49:00

Regarding horizontal position when the bracket is down, with any bracket other than the Garhauer (which is a revised version of the original equipment on most C-25s), knowing its vertical travel, you should measure and decide where to mount the bracket vertically on the transom. I determined a vertical position that held the skeg above water with the motor tilted one notch and the bracket in the up position (in the slip, where my transom had to be fairly close to the dock). Sailing, I could tilt the engine further. Another object of my calculation was getting the anti-cavitation (anti-ventilation, if you prefer) plate at least 5" below waterline in the down position. So, once you know the range of motion for the bracket, take some measurements and decide how high to mount it above the waterline. Whether it lowers to horizontal or below that is not the issue as long at it has sufficient vertical travel. BTW, I think mine worked out with one pair of bolts just above the shelf and the other pair below it, with room for backer plates for each. I added a Starboard plate on the outside, extending well below the bracket.

PS: Frank G... Is it time to revise your signature?

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Response Posted - 09/16/2007 : 18:30:45

I have had both, the Garhauer four spring from Catalina Direct is much better for our transom than a Garelick. I have a four stroke Honda and the four spring is the right one for it.

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Response Posted - 09/16/2007 : 20:21:20

The Garhauer from CD is the best choice in my opinion because for one you wont have to drill new holes in the transom. I'm very happy with the 4 spring that I put on last year to hold my Yamaha 9.9 4 stroke.

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Response Posted - 09/16/2007 : 21:15:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Frank Hopper
 I have had both, the Garhauer four spring from Catalina Direct is much better for our transom than a Garelick. I have a four stroke Honda and the four spring is the right one for it.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">There you go.

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Response Posted - 09/16/2007 : 23:23:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Frank Hopper
 I have had both, the Garhauer four spring from Catalina Direct is much better for our transom than a Garelick. I have a four stroke Honda and the four spring is the right one for it.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">There you go.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Is that like "here's your sign"?

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Response Posted - 09/17/2007 : 05:23:47

My website has photos of my new 4 spring Garhauer bracket. Soon after installing it, I then bought a new 2006 Honda 9.9.

Bracket works fine. Only issue (not a biggy) is that the spring tension is pretty good and as such, I need to step on the handle with a slight bit of pressure to free it from the lower lock position. When I do that, the motor pops up about 5" and from that point, i raise it by hand with no need ot use the block and tackle which I needed to use with the old original bracket. I still have the block and tackle connected but only as a safety in case the motor was to fall off the bracket which is just about impossible since the lock handles are in a channel lock.

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Response Posted - 09/17/2007 : 08:00:44

In the near future, I will also be installing the 4 spring outboard bracket. In some of the pictures on the different sites, it appears the motor is fastened to the bracket only with the two bolts that are connected to the motor. For extra security, does anyone recommend drilling the two additional holes through the bracket plate? Seems two additional bolts securing the motor to the bracket would be the way to go.

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Response Posted - 09/17/2007 : 08:35:47

I just connected my existing block and tackle rather than drill holes and connect w/bolts for addl safety.

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Response Posted - 09/17/2007 : 08:50:50

Based on comments on this forum and looking at the Practicle Sailor article on engine mounts, it appears the brand of engine has some bearing on which mount. The Honda and Yamaha 4 strokes are heavier than the Mercury/Nissan/Tohatsu (which are all made by Tohatsu). I will be replacing my original engine mount offseason and as I have a Tohatsu XL, which is the upper end of weight for the three spring Garhauer mount I keep scratching my head as which way to go. At this point, i am leaning toward the three spring version at Catalina Direct primarily because in the Practicle Sailor article with a Mercury 9.8 HP (like my Tohatsu) they found the three spring was better than the four spring, which was difficult to lower with the relatively lighter weight engine. It would be interesting to see which mount do those with the Mercury/Nissan/Tohatsu prefer vs. owners of Honda/Yamaha engines.

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Response Posted - 09/17/2007 : 09:49:30

We had a Garhauer 3-spring mounted this past spring for our Tohatsu 9.9 XLS. No new holes drilled. Replaced wooden bracket holder with marine starboard. Solid as a rock now. After using it one season I will say that it has worked beautifully. Perfect balance. No need to push down and the torque for the upward movement is enough so that even I (skinny-armed-woman) can lift it up. We did lube the mechanism a couple of times with SailKote to keep things loose.

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Response Posted - 09/17/2007 : 10:47:27

I recall a couple of earlier reports here that the 3-spring was perfect for the Tohatsu 9.8 4-stroke. Larry's comments suggest that the 4-spring might be excessive for the considerably heavier Honda.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 09/17/2007 : 12:44:11

Dave,

I would agree with your comment based on my early experiences with the 4 spring bracket. During the first week or so, i could not get it to go into the lower lock position because of the spring tension. But I left the motor in the down position for a week or so and then afterwards it was okay.

It is a balancing act as to the sizing of the bracket with the motor. While I now can easily get it into the lowered locked position, I have to step lightly on the handle to unlock it from the lower locked position. The motor then pops up about 5" and then I can pull it up with my hand to the raised position but to raise it is not something i can do with just a pinky. It does take a little bit of effort but certainly no block and tackle needed.

My thought is that it is right sized for the long shaft Honda 9.9 hp 4 stroke. After the first week or two getting the bracket "broken in" it then is okay. My thought is that after a few years, the springs may relax a bit more and so I may be able to not have to lightly step on the handle. But stepping on the handle is a very easy thing and it takes very little force...just a bit more than I can do with my hand to release it from the locked position.

The Tohatsu, etc motors that weigh far less....sounds like the 3 spring model bracket is the way to go. Catalina direct has a weight guide for selecting the brackets. It is probably a pretty good guide following that.

My website also mentions the experience i had with checking out the bracket when i received it from Catalina Direct. Rcmd anyone buying a bracket read that section. basically, ensure that all the nuts factory assembled have full thread engagement...one or two threads come past the nut. i had two nuts that were not fully engaged because the machine bolts were not sized properly. I replace the two screws.

Larry

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Response Posted - 09/17/2007 : 20:52:16

The catalina direct site says that the maximum weight for the 3-spring model is 95lbs. I have a 9.9 mercury with extra long shaft, alternator and electric start- the catalogue weight I think is around a 115lbs. shouldn't i go for the 4-spring? also, if I buy the garhauer, i am assuming that i would not need to drill any new holes through the transom?

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Response Posted - 09/17/2007 : 21:35:52

I bought the Garhauer four spring from Catalina Direct last May for my new-to-me 8 HP Honda. It's over 100 lbs. Yes, CKS you need the four spring. It's great. I had no problem lowering it and it practically raises itself up. No more strained back pulling it up. Although CD and Larry's websites say it is a direct bolt in the old monting holes, mine was "almost" a direct bolt in. Plugged two holes and then drilled new ones. No problems. Like Frank said, it's what you need.

Bill

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Response Posted - 09/18/2007 : 05:47:22

Agree with going with the 4 spring model for a 115 lb motor. My 4 spring bracket lined up with the holes. But...I also bought the reinforcement bars for mounting inside the transom. These SS bars , the holes did not line up and/or the bars interefered with the cockpit from inside the quauterberth area. I did not mount the reinforcement bars but added a starboard on the outside of the transom and then thru-bolted the bracket to the transom with the starboard in-between.

The reinforcement bars are somewhere on my workbench. maybe one day i will try to mount them again but drilling or cutting through those bars is a bear and decided to forgo that for now. Simpler thing would be to mount a starboard on the inside as well. The reinforcement just helps spread out the loads a bit. I have no noticeable curvature in the transom....but have some vibration at a mid-speed...not at low speed or high speed. My thought was that adding a starboard on the inside may help mute the vibration. Not sure....but not a big issue anyway...so for now I am off working on other projects.

Larry

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Response Posted - 09/18/2007 : 07:41:30

If you buy the Garhauer 4-spring mount and it proves to have too much lift, it may be possible to disengage one of the springs to make it a 3-spring model...Just a thought.

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Response Posted - 09/18/2007 : 11:15:14

I have a 15HP 2 Stroke Merc on the 4 Spring Garhauer on KELPATIAN. Works great.

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