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Phredde
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Initially Posted - 07/16/2002 : 22:09:32

Ok, don't laugh, but can somebody please tell me how I am 'supposed' to run my halyards. I have the main halyard on the port side where there is a winch on the mast. The winch helps a lot because sometimes the mainsail is a little tough going up. I run the jib on the starboard halyard; never a problem raising that manually.

Now I've heard a few times that's backwards. Do you all do it the other way? If so, how do you use the winch? And do you leave the halyard wrapped around the winch after raising? I do and it sometimes impairs the sail dousing.

As always, thanks for the advice!

Phredde
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Clay
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Response Posted - 07/16/2002 : 23:53:44

Typically I would expect to find the main halyard to starboard & Jib halyard to port on most sailboat. Do you only have the one winch on the mast and 2 for the jib sheets?
I’m rigged with an internal system that allows the halyards to exit at the base of the mast through blocks on each side of the mast. The main to starboard and jib to port where each is led to a turning block on the deck and back to one of two small winches on each side of the cabin top. With this set up I don’t have to leave the cockpit to raise & lower the main. Though I rarely need to use the winch to raise the main I still take a wrap or two around the winch before cleating it but throw it off when lowering.

Clay
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Douglas
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Response Posted - 07/17/2002 : 00:04:19

I have main to Stbd. My lines run aft so I use the winch on the combings if I need one.

Doug&Ruth
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Rick Heaverly 86 C25 5382
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Response Posted - 07/17/2002 : 08:12:41

main on starboard side, jib on port. make sure when you raise the main that you have let off of the downhaul. (mine is located on the bottom of the gooseneck and cleats off just above the pop top mast lock) then i cleat off the halyard then go and sit on the boom at the mast and tighten the downhaul. if your main sail does not go up easily you might need to lubricate your sail slides.

when raising the jib i use the winch and winch handle and snug it up according to the amount of wind. the more wind the tighter the luff of the sail.

Rick Heaverly
"Invictus"

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LeighMarie
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Response Posted - 07/17/2002 : 09:03:42

On my 1985 SW C-25 I have the main halyard on starboard and the jib halyard on the port side. I use the winch, that is on the port side of the mast, for the jib halyard, and I never have a need for a winch for the main halyard. Because of the furler I have on my jib/genoa I use the winch to get it all the way up. I lubricated the sail slugs for the main and it goes up very easily. The winch I have is a Lewmar 7 single. I have 2 Lewmar 16's non-self tailing doubles for the jib sheets. I hope next year to run all the lines to the cockpit, at which time I will put a winch on the cabin top to get the main up. Gotta save something to do for next year!

Dave & Sharon on "Leigh-Marie"
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 07/17/2002 : 09:47:43

One of the first modifications I made to "Even Chance" was to remove the winch from the mast and relocate it on the port side of the coach roof near the cockpit. I put a halyard plate under the mast and attached swivel blocks to the plate, bolted line organizers at 45 degree angles on the coach roof, and line clutches just before the winch. Both halyards now run port side to the winch. . . I find I often need the winch to get the luff good and tight. Starboard side I run the topping lift and the jiffy reefing line through blocks at the mast base, through an organizer, and aft to clutches.

I like having both halyards on one side.

The extra line is coiled and looped over the winch to port, and the clutches to starboard.

Brooke

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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 07/17/2002 : 11:49:26

Phredde,

I'm also a SF Bay sailor and you are welcome to visit Brisbane and look at a couple of different set-ups, mine and my buddy Paul's C25.

Neither of us have winches on the cabin top, but all lines are led aft. When I got Hey Jude it was standard, i.e. go-to-the-mast, to hoist and adjust. Since both Paul and I single hand a lot, we have made many mods to make it easy and safe. Paul just installed a second reef in the main with single-line control for both first and second reef.

Neither Paul or I seem to have trouble hoisting the main by just heaving. Come into the wind, half a dozen good heaves (making sure the mainsheet and downhauls are eased) and you are there. Do you have slot gates installed to keep the slugs from popping out? Do the slugs slide easily?

We'll be at the boats on Friday 19th and early AM on Sat if you want to come over. Or go out with one of us and see how we do it. Call 650-726-0432.

Jim Williams
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John Mason
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Response Posted - 07/17/2002 : 12:47:55

I also have placed both of my halyards non-traditionally on the port side (traditional, as stated above, jib on port, main on starboard) along with the jiffy reefing line. On the starboard side I have the spinnaker halyard, topping lift (run like a halyard) and, soon to be added, the boom vang line. All run aft through deck organisers with cabintop winches and rope clutches.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
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capn rick
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Response Posted - 07/17/2002 : 17:17:59

Anybody out there marketing prefabbed "slot gates"? Would be a great idea for shorthanders raising the main.
Capn Rick #2438 "Cavale"

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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 07/17/2002 : 20:25:44

Capn Rick,

Make the mast slot plates yourself! Honestly, it is the easiest project you'll ever do. You need a hacksaw, file and a drill.

Go to the Association Website http://www.catalina25-250.org/index2.htm
and go to the C25 tech tips section. Scroll down and you will see three different postings for slot plates.

I used the Snickerdoodle materials, but with a file left a little ear on the top and bottom of the plate just to fit into the slot. I didn't like the first set, tossed 'em, and made another in about half an hour. The tile trim comes in six or eight feet sections, cheap at the hardware store.

Hmmm, since I'm unemployed right now maybe I should make'em for sale. Lets see, 6000 C25's at $20 bucks a set...naw...too much like work.

Jim Williams - San Francisco Bay
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capn rick
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Response Posted - 07/19/2002 : 09:43:58

thanks for the tip-I've seen the homemade versions and was just wondering if anybody manufactured one. Made enough Triumph parts in the last 4 years to have raw materials laying around somewhere!.
Capn Rick #2438 Cavale

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/19/2002 : 14:30:24

A number of things....

1. I had the main on Port and used the winch and the Jib on Starboard and used my strength. To answer your questions Phredde - There is absolutely no rule of thumb as to what side of a sailboat they come down the mast on. It, as with most everything regarding rigging is a matter of preference. If you really wanted to, you could run the lines down through the deck and hoist from the cabin like they used to in the old "R" style wooden hulled boats. What do you prefer is the question

I, like you found the main harder to hoist than the jib, so I used the winch for that purpose. If you do use it, do not unwrap the halyard leave the line on while cleated.

2. When I ran my lines aft I too took the winch off the mast and put it on the cabin top. Works rather nicely I have a matching one so that I can winch up both sails, the jib under load if need be.

3 Mast gate slot plates - I purchased mine from Joe Martinek here online. He sends the set to you for 30 bucks or so. All you need to do is dremel the ends to perfectly match your slot and drill and tap some machine screws. Since the slugs on my new main are a bit thicker in the C section that attaches to the bolt on the sail, I opted for using only 1 gate plate and it works unbelievably well.

his email is
99999JoeMartinek@StarBand.net
Just remove the 9's from the name

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
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Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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