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djn
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Initially Posted - 02/15/2007 : 11:23:45

Hi All, a friend from Oregon called last night to tell me he was buying a Catalina C34. All good and well....untill I looked on Yatchworld at a couple C34s and a shiver went through me when I saw that the Dinette was on starboard vs port....WHERE IT BELONGS. In my mind I said, "I'll never sail on that boat". This seems petty and stupid, but that was my reaction....what gives? Cheers.

Dennis
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 11:56:10

The C27 dinette is also on the starboard side as was my old Venture 25.

Dennis,

Why does the dinette belong on the port side?

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 12:13:11

Might??????

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 12:20:25

I'm looking for a Catalina 310......is the Dinette in the right location?
pauljC250WK #719

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 12:24:32

The only thing that's really important is that the porta potty be on the port side. (That's the only way some people can remember which is port and which is starboard!)

If they put it on the starboard side, they'd have to call it the starboard potty.

Edited by - Steve Milby on 02/15/2007 12:28:11

Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 12:45:20

I think it all depends on where they put the forepeak relative to the galley and the Head. Add Cabinets to the mix and it has to be somewhere in the main saloon.

If you really want to throw everyone for a loop look at a boat that has a traditional dining set up!

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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 13:01:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 ...Why does the dinette belong on the port side?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Because starboard tack has right of way. If the helmsman needs to go below for a few minutes, the boat is (legally at least) safer self steering on starboard tack. Therefore, the facilities most likely to keep the helmsman below deck (head, galley, dining table) are concentrated on the port, or downhill, side to make using them easier, quicker, and safer.

Building a sailboat with any of these important features on the stbd side says something about the designer and/or his expectations regarding how the boat will be used.

-- Leon

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 14:29:38

The C250 got it right. The dinette table is CENTERED and the head is to the port.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 14:38:39

I think if you worry about going below for chow, its time to hand the tiller off and go eat not put the autohelm on. Seriously if you are that far out that you can actually leave the helm on autopilot then who the heck is out there to really worry about. If it is a powerboat you have right of way if it is a freighter, you lose to the laws of tonnage. Anything else will be picked up on Radar. If that isn't the scenario then you probably shouldn't be leaving watch for chow.

I know these guys try to think of every last thing, but with the number of boats I've seen that have the table on Port I've seen the same number with the table on Starboard. Many of those were by the same designer.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 14:42:13

I want the table underneath the plates at all times

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Tradewind
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 15:38:23

I've been sailing for 35 years and I've never heard this before now. This is a joke, right?

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djn
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 16:14:09

I am sorry Steve, but it is no joke. It is a primevale reaction every time I see a dinette on the starboard side of a boat. If it is in a picture, I just assume the negative was reversed in printing.

Leon, great explanation. Now it all makes sense. Cheers.

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crcalhoon
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 17:46:27

Lemmessee, I have a 1979 C25 TR FK with dinette on port side. Back in the late 70's I had a Coronado 25, a 1968 model, I think, which I think may have been a Frank Butler product, which had the dinette on Starboard. Go figure.

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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 17:55:13

ODay 30, starboard

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Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 18:29:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 The C250 got it right. The dinette table is CENTERED and the head is to the port.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

We can eat OR sleep on either tack... asuming of course that someone else is on watch!

[TITLE 33--NAVIGATION AND NAVIGABLE WATERS

CHAPTER 34--INLAND NAVIGATIONAL RULES

SUBCHAPTER I--RULES

Part B--Steering and Sailing Rules

subpart i--conduct of vessels in any condition of visibility

Sec. 2005. Look-out (Rule 5)

Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the
prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal
of the situation and of the risk of collision.


The last time I was offered a meal underway the captain asked if I liked bacon and eggs for breakfast. "Sure" I said. I was handed a cup with a hard-boiled egg and bacon bits sprinkled on top.

Edited by - Ben - FL on 02/15/2007 18:36:31

bbriner
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 18:53:44

I haven't been sailing for 35 years but I've never given it a second of thought. I do prefer dinettes though over the center-folding tables. I AM glad the porta-potti is to port (I never thought of the word connection though! I like that :)) - because, yes, when I'm single-handing I do indeed get on starboard tack to go below.

Dennis if this really does bother you maybe you should take these issues on and go sailing on that boat! Personally I think the C34 is the best of the Catalina bunch. I'm suspicious though that you're just pulling our leg.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 19:18:59

Dennis, as my daughter would say, "you have issues."

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djn
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 20:21:37

Hi Bill, I know it is weird, but it is true. I believe I am a normal well accomplished adult, but this really bothers me. When I see the dinette on the starboard side, I just assume the boat is unsafe and will sink.....no joke. Don't get me wrong, I don't loose a lick of sleep over this, it is just a thing.

Hi Randy, yep, I have issues....well one at lease. Cheers.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 20:53:20

Dennis,

I feel the same way about transom mounted rudders.

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djn
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Response Posted - 02/15/2007 : 21:04:37

Hi Rick, yep those are up there on my list as well, but with no emotional ginkditude. Cheers.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/16/2007 : 08:54:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 ODay 30, starboard
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Rather nice on starboard....maybe I'll find out firsthand this season.

beneteau 42.7 - stbd
Evelyn 32 - 18"x18" engine cover centerline.(your lucky you get that)
Ericson 29 Stbd
Ericson 30 - port
Morgan 40 Classic - Stbd
Morgan 38 - Port
Nautor Swan 77 - Big table stbd, little table port
Nator Swan 90 - Huge Table Port (I mean really big)
45' Island Packet 440 - stb
45' Island Packet 445 - Port

You're telling me the guys who built the 77 foot Swan didn't put any thought into comfort because the table is on Stbd?

Not sure that dog's gonna hunt for me!

I do agree that dennis has "Issues" but didn't we all know that before this thread

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bbriner
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Response Posted - 02/16/2007 : 10:40:03

Also Jenneau 43 and Islander 53 - starboard

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cat1951
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Response Posted - 02/16/2007 : 13:56:21

I am too new at this to have it bother me. Our 25 is on the port side, but it is a traditional cabin without the dinette. It is the same for my sister in-laws 38' Island Packet. However, if you raise the extensions on both, they become more of a middle cabin table. For me it doesn't bother me much...I only want the head to be close no matter which side. I tend to get motion sickness...not on the lake, just blue water.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/16/2007 : 14:16:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tradewind
 I've been sailing for 35 years and I've never heard this before now. This is a joke, right?
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No, it's mid-winter... boats on stands or trailers and under tarps with snow and ice on top of them... That's what this is.

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djn
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Response Posted - 02/16/2007 : 14:29:51

How right you are Dave. I was just at the boat yesterday and shovled a foot of snow out of the cockpit, then found the tarp a block away the put it back on. Cheers.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 02/16/2007 : 15:29:20

I think is because allot of people are RIGHT HANDED, on the Capri there is no Dinette but the sink is on the port side of the step going down into the cabin, the switch panel is on the port side, so when you turn around and want to flip something on its right at your RIGHT Hand.

Really I have no idea why they put the Dinette on the port side, but it does kind make since. Where do you store your toilet paper on board? Port of you or Starboard, I would think PORT, wipe starboard, exit aft.........

Sorry

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