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IndyJim
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Initially Posted - 05/01/2006 : 22:27:46

Okay, I'll probably open up a can of worms with this question but I'm very curious. Has anyone installed stern rail seats on their C-25? I know that for a long time, nobody would sell them for single rail stern pulpits but at this years "Strictly Sail" Zarcor had them for our boats with a rail kit. To the Admiral, stern rail seats are more than a flush head! (priorities!) She sat on too many big boats at the boat show and now wants her thrown! Here is the kit that Zarcor sells. Just curious if anyone has installed them and like them.

http://www.zarcor.com/s2k/boatlist.htm

If you happen to be adamately opposed to them and think it's sacrilege to put them on a C-25, please don't get your sails in a wad. I didn't ask the question to spark a debate, I just wanted to see if anyone was using them and how they like them.

Thanks!

Jim on "Itza Dew Sea"
'84 SK/TR #4525

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 22:56:48

Jim - I almost missed it on their website. Have to click on "Picture 1" and "Picture 2" to see the C-25 application.

Like yours, my admiral has also been known to covet the perch seats she sees on larger boats, but then she usually just goes ahead and covets the whole larger boat at the same time.

Not trying to be negative but their site says they only install on inboard vessels so as not to interfere with the outboard access. I guess it could be installed only on one side or the other. Also, doesn't it look like the perch's "leg" would interfere with the tiller's range on a hard turn?

Steve

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atgep
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 23:23:41

I have been pondering this for over 3 years now. There are a couple of ergonomic problems with the Cat 25 cockpit. My main complaint is the narrowing of the stern pulpit. Widening it a couple inches would be a huge improvement.
A stern seat would be nice but..... It would only work for one side on outboard equipped boats. The 250 uses the space shared by the rudder and OB and puts the seat behind the cockpit. That is where the awesome room comes from.

If I ever befriend a stainless guru, I will have a custom pulpit made that has a single perch. For now, I just dream and am happy I don't own a powerboat!

Tom.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/02/2006 : 01:42:19

Have you seen this from a very recent post on the C250 forum?

[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12460"] Cockpit but... centre stern seat addition photos[/url]

Very cool!

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PZell
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Response Posted - 05/02/2006 : 09:29:43

Not as fancy but here's what I do. Took two pieces of 1x2 oak and cut them just slightly longer than the distance between the two vertical rails on the stern rail on the opposite side from my motor. Put two 1x1 pieces of hose on the rails for protection from the hose clamps fixed there to adjust the height of the wood pieces. The wood pieces are pressure clamped to the rail with a single bolt on each end with wing nuts and sit on the hose/hoseclamp. Thus you have a double piece of wood stretching diagonally between the two vertical rails. I use this primarily to hold bits of line, but do perch there ocassionally. It would be easy to add on a stool seat with a little imagination, but this works fine for my uses.

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 05/02/2006 : 18:59:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Paul C25FK Sparky
'PZ' W7JVY KFS/KTK/KLB/KOK/WNU/KPH/WCC/VAI/VAJ <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Paul, take your elbow off the keyboard.

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sanibelle
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Response Posted - 05/03/2006 : 11:24:07

Jim-- Do I see the boom under the bimini in your picture of "Itza Dew Sea"? How does that work?

Joe R. (80 FK/TR)

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PZell
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Response Posted - 05/03/2006 : 11:53:50

Steve:
ohhhh. That's left over from '99 when we closed down ship/shore morse telegraphing. Those were the stations I worked at thru the years, a batch of them remotely controlled from here in Half Moon Bay the last few years. I sent the last message to a ship. It was a big deal at the time. Now we do everything on computers......boring.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/03/2006 : 19:13:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sanibelle
 Jim-- Do I see the boom under the bimini in your picture of "Itza Dew Sea"? How does that work?

Joe R. (80 FK/TR)
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

It appears that Jim's bimini is far enough aft so as to stay clear of the boom.

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IndyJim
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Response Posted - 05/03/2006 : 20:48:38

Fellow C-25 Skippers,

Joe, you have a keen eye. And Don, you know how to blow up a photo! I guess the element I forgot to mention in my stern rail seat question was that I have wheel steering. (probably slipped my mind so I wouldn't spark another discussion thread) So, you tiller guys are correct! Having stern rail seats could limit tiller travel for you guys. But if the stern rail seat would be in the way of the tiller, wouldn't a guest sitting there also be in the way? I've always thought that the aft cockpit seats require extra attention for anyone choosing to "perch" there.

I think purchasing or manufacturing some small landing pads for the "Admiral's transom" would delay her desire for a bigger boat with the seats. We sailed a Catalina 400 and a 387 from Tampa to Miami for the Miami boat show and I can attest the stern rail seats are great cruising perches when the autopilot is engaged!

I also really liked the center stern seat from the C-250 forum. With my wheel steering, that would actually be a helm seat!
I agree that the starboard stern rail seat may cause a little inconvenience with the outboard, but it may be overshadowed by the Admirals new throne! I'm pondering and may do some stainless steel manufacturing with some star board and mounting hardware.

The one element that sincerely bothers me is the vertical stainless steel support leg. If you have nice cockpit cushions, it may tend to puncture or indent the cushion. Maybe some diagonal adaptation to the corner of the seat would work. If I undertake the Admiral's wish, I will take pictures.

And Joe you are close. I have a tall rig (lower boom which I wish was a little higher for more dodger clearance) but the boom ends forward of the bimini. I would guestimate a foot of clearance between them. Both the dodger and bimini were the P.O.'s doing. The backstay actually goes through a re-inforced slit in the bimini. I'm guessing it was a complete custom job but it works very well. The dodger used to only be used in the spring and fall when I wanted a windshield/spray deflector. But there are snaps on the front and the plastic window rolls up so I can still use my pop top. That picture was taken befoe I installed my topping lift too. Maybe I need to update my pics, huh?

Is the dodger necessary on my inland mud puddle? No, not really, but it sure set my humble vessel apart from the others. I have several toys that aren't necessities, but they make the Admiral happy. And if the Admiral's happy the skipper is happy! :)

Thanks to everyone for their input on the stern rail seats. I'll call it a work in progress for those days in the doldrums. This is a wonderful place for information exchange. Thanks for not giving me grief about the wheel.

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Captain Bill
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Response Posted - 05/05/2006 : 12:25:09

Here's a picture of my seats built by the PO. He did a great job and we throughly enjoy the seats. He welded one stainles tube between the existing down rails and then attached a bent stainless tube from the top center rail and attached it to the new rail. The wooden seats are screwed into the new rails. These are real sturdy and probably give additional strength to the rear pilpit. No problem with tiller movement at all.

Bill - now if I can remember how to attach the picture!!
[http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5cf00b3127cce95308c2a234a00000016102EbN2rJyzYm]
[http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5cc38b3127cce965554017b7800000016102EbN2rJyzYm]

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/05/2006 : 12:54:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Captain Bill
 Bill - now if I can remember how to attach the picture!!

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Captain Bill
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Response Posted - 05/05/2006 : 13:11:41

Don,
I knew I had done that before just didn't think to review your message at the beginning of the forum. Sometimes I get into a bigger rush than is really necessary. Thanks for prompting my old memory and many thanks for the photo message placed on the forum.
Happy sailing,
Bill

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IndyJim
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Response Posted - 05/05/2006 : 22:36:03

Bill,
I like your work. Achieves what the Admiral is looking for and it doesn't appear you've killed any passengers sitting aft in the cockpit! :) Thanks everyone. I'll post pics!

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