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raulpou
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Initially Posted - 04/23/2006 : 20:46:21

I climbed aboard a new 28 foot MKII and was seriously impressed. Granted, this boat was loaded with options (including a neat dodger) that made it seem like a much larger boat. One of the things that impressed me the most was its beam and head room. For a boat of that size I am hard pressed to find another that was as comfortable.

We climbed aboard many large hunters and catalinas and they seem like a lot of fun. I wished that Hunter would have the 25 or 27 there, but none to be found!! BTW, the Beneteaus are out of this world!!!

All in all, I think the 28 may have to be my next boat. I left the show wanting to climb aboard several times. I think that Catalina hit the nail on the head!!!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/23/2006 : 21:18:15

I do really like the C28.

Two years ago, an early 90's C28 wing keel came up for sale in my area at a very good price. I repeatedly called the number, but was unable to make contact. They sure are pretty boats!

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Response Posted - 04/23/2006 : 23:27:21

I, too, have noticed this boat and had placed it at the top of the list (wishful dreaming as we have two in college right now) of "move-up-to" boats. However, I have been talking to my neighbor who sails a bunch of different Catalinas including the C28 while teaching novices to sail in Long Beach harbor. He said that the fact it has a traveler on the cabin top was a negative. There would be approximately twice the force on the traveler located on the middle of the boom as one attached at the end of the boom led to the transom-mounted traveler as is the C25. So most who sail cabin top travelers never adjust the mainsheet which is a poor way to trim the main. He and his wife do spend nights on the C28 and say it is VERY comfortable and said it sails fairly well.
Other than this one (probably a minor point granted

) negative and that trailering is a much bigger problem......
I really like

this boat!!!!!
But then there's college expenses times two (grumble, grumble

).
Maybe someday I might move up.

Edited by - gnorgan on 04/23/2006 23:31:25

Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 05:13:09

so how much is this new C28?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 10:25:55

I am lucky enough to crew on an early 28. The early run (first 100) had rig issues and the rigs were replaced by the factory. The first 100 had taller rigs, since there were no short rigs they are not listed as tall rigs, after the first 100 the rigs were shortened. the early boats also have single spreaders. I think the early boats are a good deal at 28k-30k.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 10:30:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 I think the early boats are a good deal at 28k-30k.
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The C28 I repeatedly called on was listed at 22k...Why didn't they answer!

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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 11:01:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by gnorgan
 ...He said that the fact it has a traveler on the cabin top was a negative. There would be approximately twice the force on the traveler located on the middle of the boom as one attached at the end of the boom led to the transom-mounted traveler as is the C25. So most who sail cabin top travelers never adjust the mainsheet which is a poor way to trim the main.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
But a mid-boom traveler is much more effective than an end-boom of the same length, and the cabintop gets it away from people's necks and fingers. If the sheeting is rigged at a high enough multiple (my 4-1 is complete overkill, but it might be right for mid-boom), the only downside is the amount of line to haul in and play out. I'll take the cabintop setup every time (but my pop-top pretty much precludes it). I barely consider the silly little C-25 thingy to be a traveler.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 11:05:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 ...I barely consider the silly little C-25 thingy to be a traveler.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Is that what that thing is??? Funny, it doesn't act like one!

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raulpou
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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 11:30:34

The new price on it is around 80K!!! wow

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 11:39:39

You can buy a real nice, older, C30 with diesel, dodger, bimini, roller furling, the works for $25K

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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 14:35:08

Unless you are part of the Trump family, I'm convinced that older boats (10-15 years) represent the best value for us working stiffs. And then you get to work on the boat until you are really stiff.
When I win the powerball lottery I'll buy a boat big enough so you all can come visit and sail away.

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cathluk
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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 20:19:37

The C28 was a serious contender for our next boat. It sails well & has an outstanding interior, BUT very little storage. Far less than the C250. In the end we decided it didn't have enough storage for our 1 week cruises much less any longer cruises (2 weeks to a month) we might do in the next 10 years.

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 20:45:35

I haven't done any measurements nor have I looked closely at where I might place the following....but what I have been mulling over is installing a wider traveler track using the following combination:

http://garhauermarine.com/images/product/MT-3.jpg
http://garhauermarine.com/images/product/UR-1.jpg

I do realize that the existing traveler is somewhat inadequate but maybe our boats don't need a long traveler...but IF I were to make a change I think I'd like to do this and then lead the lines forward so that I can make adjustments without looking backward all the time. The current '89 setup is not to my liking and I grump about it every time I go out.

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 20:54:26

So I go out into the family room and I talk to my dear wife about possibly setting up something wider on the boat and she says, "What about the backstay getting in the way?" @#$%

She's right (as always

).
That might, indeed, be a problem. Must now go down to the boat in Mission Bay and stare at it awhile......

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/25/2006 : 08:59:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by gnorgan
 So I go out into the family room and I talk to my dear wife about possibly setting up something wider on the boat and she says, "What about the backstay getting in the way?"<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Gary... As I recall on your model the traveler is integral to the stern rail, right? You could run a longer one from seat-to-seat without the backstay being in the way, but I'd say a better place would be seat-to-seat at the bulkhead (mid-boom)--less chance of the mainsheet decapitating someone, and better angles to the boom. Does your '89 have a pop-top? If not, there's your best answer... but I think all of these options make you class-illegal.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 04/25/2006 09:00:04

gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/25/2006 : 23:22:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">As I recall on your model the traveler is integral to the stern rail, right?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Dave, you are absolutely right.
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Does your '89 have a pop-top?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Yes, it does. So I wouldn't be inclined to run the sheets mid-boom from the top of the cabin.
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">but I think all of these options make you class-illegal<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Yes, and so the slow evolution of an idea growing progressively less likey to become a reality.....in other words, I may just buy hardware to bring the traveler lines around the corner and forward somewhere such that I can easily reach them while facing forward all the time. Cheaper, too!!

This approach also fits in fine with my usual method of trying to make things better on my boat: Go to boat with intention of improving sailing aspects, staring at the thing for awhile, realizing my time constraints, realizing cost of said improvements, cranking up the motor, backing out, hoisting sails, turn off motor and sailing until sunset. Project over.

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Response Posted - 04/26/2006 : 12:44:14

Gary, the only reason I can think of that you'd be so anxious to be able to control that "traveler"

is to get the last tenth of a knot when you're sailing alongside the Commodore and your TR isn't passing his SR...

(I'm no racer, but I know full well... "When two sailboats are on the same tack anywhere in sight of each other, there's a race going on.")

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/26/2006 : 23:26:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">to get the last tenth of a knot when you're sailing alongside the Commodore and your TR isn't passing his SR... <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Yep!!

Actually, Dave, I think the real issue is the keel differences. I work my butt off, including adjusting the traveler inward to bring the boom onto the centerline of the boat, trying to maximize my speed whenever Jim and I sail together. I am still learning how to make the wing go faster. So what I like to do is try to even out the sail square footage between our two boats and then do what it takes to get more speed than his. I use my 110 against his 150, my tall vs. his small (whoops!! Standard), my wing vs his fin. To weather he points higher and off the wind....well, he's gotten alot better at finding the wind so it gets harder to beat him downwind. At this point I am just going to go with max. sails against his boat every time from now on. I can always reef the main when flying my 150 to flatten the boat and go faster.

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Response Posted - 04/27/2006 : 07:11:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 You can buy a real nice, older, C30 with diesel, dodger, bimini, roller furling, the works for $25K
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Catalina 30's from 1980~1985 are outstanding values. By shopping carefully, you can get a heck of a lot of boat for not much $$$. They are a lot like our older C-25's in that respect. I thought about buying one myself a couple of years ago, but decided that I didn't want to be locked into a non-trailerable boat, at least not until I retire and have more time for boating. Slip fees for a 30' boat are at least $200/month in my area, compared to only $62.50/month for my dry storage space at Folsom Lake. Over the 19 years since I bought my first boat in 1987, I have been able to average no more than maybe 10 weekends a year of boating, and the slip fees for a larger boat are pretty expensive on a per-day basis if your job and other commitments give you only a few weekends a year to play with the boat. I know that some of you reading this Forum have the good luck to be able to use your boats on weekday evenings after work, but that's not possible for me as our house is about an hour's drive (one way) from either Folsom Lake or the San Joaquin River delta, the closest places to keep a sailboat. I'll be retiring in no more than 10 years, maybe then...

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 04/30/2006 : 13:20:17

Okay....I wlll admit it; I am not all that good of a sailor and I have a LOT to learn. But the talk of raising the boom up to the centerline is NOT what usually makes my boat faster. IMHO. If anything, in much of a breeze, I drop the sucker DOWN on the traveler and sometimes sail with only the last 2-3 feet of main doing any work. The boat flattens out and the boatspeed often jumps.

I think that raising the boom to the centerline is good for pointing ability, often, but not boatspeed. In fact, without the main up, I can go just about as fast under headsail alone to weather. I just cannot point as high that way; seems to me that this is the function of the main when going to weather.

I would be delighted to think about this another way and get smarter and better, so TEACH me, please, where I am wrong...BTW: I am much more interested in PRACTICE than in THEORY.....

Gary B.
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