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jmadd
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Initially Posted - 03/24/2006 : 22:51:37

Anyone have a pointer to the One Design Class Rules? Are the ones in the owner's manual still current? I'm trying to get a rating change from 168 to 174 and one of the things the rating committee wants to know is if I have any changes from the rules. Thanks, John

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Response Posted - 03/25/2006 : 01:37:02

I would take a look at the WYC Capri 25 web site and look at there rules for the Capri 25. They are really the only OD class sailing right now, Everyone else is handicapped. I don't know if I wouldn't take the rules from the owners manual or adopt the ones from WYC, The ones from WYC ma help out, or may cause a problem? IE: WYC rules state the if you don't have the cushions in the boat you have to add weight, the owners manual does not state this. At our club everyone that owns a Capri strips them out and makes the boats as light as possible, I myself don't have the cushions in the boat, but the only reason I don't is because my windows still leak. I carry extra weight because of the fact that if I ever do win a raceI want to know that I didn't cheat myself, thats important to me. Also about the sails, I only carry what is allowed on the boat, there are other boats at the club, NON Capri, It was a S20. They are sailing on a OD Class, and also being scored by handicap for the overall series. They blew out a chute going down wind, ripped it from head to foot, the next downwind leg we look over and they have another chute flying? Someone from the S20 fleet should have protested, it how we learn. It was not my place to protest him, but I did go up to them and made my point. His reaction was that it really didn't matter, just another Sunday race, and I know that he was just cheating himself.....

http://www.wyc.org/capri25/rules.htm

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/25/2006 : 06:18:33

Come on CS - how are we going to get those guys to join if you keep on sending everytbody there :) Rules on our website our located in the racing link on the left hand side of the screen. from there click on rules at the top of the page.
For ease of use here is the link.
http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/racing/Rules.asp

They are identical to the WYC rules.

Here are Capri 25 PHRF Ratings in 2003 (be warned with these however, as PHRF LE had an accross the board 3 second increase - other ares could have made similar adjustments too. They should give you a general idea though

By the way 6 seconds is going to be a tough sell from a one design small racer but in general 171 and 174 are the ratings, so you might have a chance...here they are
Alamo 174
Augusta 171
Austin 168
Carlyle 173
Chesapeak 174
Clear Lake 171
Dallas 174
Detroit 174
Eastern Connn 177
Essex County 177
Florida Suncoast 177
Fort Worth 171
Galveston Bay 171
Geechee 171
Gulf Phrf 177
Halifax 171
Lake Champlain 171
Lake Erie 177
Lake George 174
Lake Heffner 174
Lake Huron 171
Lake Lanier 174
Lake Michigan 171
Lake Murray 171
Lake Norman 168
Lake Ontario 168
Lake Tahoe 174
Mid Atlantic 168
Narrangansett Bay 180
NE Florida 171
New England 174
NO California 168
North Carolina 171
North Central 174
Northern Rockies 171
Northwest 185
Pickwick 174
Rush Creek 174
Sail Colorado 173
San Diego 174
SE Florida 177
SO California 174
South Bay CR 171
Utah 171
Virgin Islands 174
West Florida 177
Western Carolina 173
Wetern Oregon 168
Yralis 174

Good Luck

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/25/2006 : 06:29:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Capri25
 Someone from the S20 fleet should have protested, it how we learn. It was not my place to protest him, but I did go up to them and made my point. His reaction was that it really didn't matter, just another Sunday race, and I know that he was just cheating himself.....

http://www.wyc.org/capri25/rules.htm
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CS - According to the S20 Design rules they have no number of maximum sails allowed. Even if the PHRF Rules made that allowance(for the aforementioned overall), Which they shouldn't, the class rules should override the PHRF rules.

I may have missed it, there were regs on the purchase of sails but not the use in a regatta.

dw

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jmadd
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Response Posted - 03/25/2006 : 10:15:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff

For ease of use here is the link.
http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/racing/Rules.asp

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Thanks for the link, and the ratings. I didn't understand this remark however. Can you please explain?
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
Here are Capri 25 PHRF Ratings in 2003 (be warned with these however, as PHRF LE had an accross the board 3 second increase
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The guys that are giving me the most trouble have these ratings
Catalina 25TM - 189
Santana 20 - 222
SJ 7.7 - 192

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 03/25/2006 : 10:37:14

Those are pretty weird ratings! Virtually everywhere in the Country the C25TM is rated 222. The SJ 7.7 should be about 198 and the Santana 20, 222.
Derek

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/25/2006 : 10:39:27

Catalina 25 Tall mast is really really low 219 - 225
Santana 20 is about right
San Juan 7.7 is also about right

what I meant by that statement was that PHRF Lake Erie has changed their ratings by 3 seconds since the book came out, other areas might have too. but it should give you a reference.

dw

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 03/25/2006 : 10:57:06

The 2006 PHRF Handbook should be out in a week or two - hopefully we'll have some up-to-date numbers then.
Derek

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jmadd
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Response Posted - 03/25/2006 : 14:22:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 Those are pretty weird ratings! Virtually everywhere in the Country the C25TM is rated 222. The SJ 7.7 should be about 198 and the Santana 20, 222.
Derek
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My mistake. That is supposed to be a Catalina 30TM, not 25.

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Response Posted - 03/26/2006 : 11:45:05

We have the C30 TM at 172 (no wonder you have trouble at 189!!) and the C30 TMWK at 182.
Does your PHRF Committee ever look at the book??
Derek

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/27/2006 : 05:25:48

catalina 30 tm's are all over the place, however they are all much lower than what you are showing. The owner of the 30 should be griping too.

Your looking at 168-192 throughout the country. Depending on other factors (stern drive, wing keel etc)

dw

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Response Posted - 03/27/2006 : 10:22:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 catalina 30 tm's are all over the place, however they are all much lower than what you are showing. The owner of the 30 should be griping too.

Your looking at 168-192 throughout the country. Depending on other factors (stern drive, wing keel etc)

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Yeah, in fact there are two here, one at 189 and the other at 195. I'll have to ask what the differences are. You can see our ratings (and some recent race results) online if you're curious. http://austinyachtclub.net/scoring/ See the "PHRF Spring" link for the ratings.

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