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$5.00 Lazy Jacks-Updated 3/24

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528
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Initially Posted - 03/17/2006 : 19:23:48

From Lowes:

2-50' 5/32 polyprope cord
1-Bag of Nylon Cable clamps

I was intrigued by past discussions and then the latest Tech Pullout had a picture on page T28 which motivated me to try this. I tied both ends of the lower "V" to the Main Sheet attach point after looping through the vang attach point. I attached cable clamps using the lower deck light mount screws. The control line is looped through the deck light clamps and then knotted through the hole of cable clamps, being able to slide on the "V" for equal tensioning. A single line is used in front of the mast for overall control. It works like a charm. The sail dropped and practically folded itself on the boom. I will post close ups of the clamps and my attacments next week if anyone is interested.

Edited by - 528 on 03/24/2006 12:49:03

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Response Posted - 03/17/2006 : 20:20:22

Very much interested in close ups of the clamps and attachments! Great job and inexpensive too!

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Response Posted - 03/18/2006 : 12:04:46

I will also be waiting for the close-ups with anticipation....great job!!!!

River

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Response Posted - 03/19/2006 : 20:01:04

Ok, we're all looking for the details...
got any close up pics yet (too busy sailing?)

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Response Posted - 03/20/2006 : 09:03:48

Diddo on the details! Nice work.

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Response Posted - 03/22/2006 : 13:53:42

If you mean nylon cable ties - they deteriorate in about 6 months in the sun. I use them to hold up electric fence wire and that is about how long they last.

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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 11:39:53

Check out my el cheapo lazy jacks on the main tech tip page, last entry. My rig has two "cradles" to catch the sail and only costs 5 bucks more

Also, since it's run through the spreaders, it's wider to catch the dousing main.

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Response Posted - 03/24/2006 : 12:28:08

The Materials:

Main sheet attach point:

Vang loop-through:

Deck light attach point:
(using existing mast cleat for securing control line)

"V" attachment and slider:

I agree with the limited life of the nylon clips, but this was a concept project for me. Any upgrades to the nylon would be great if you can match the price or come close! It literally cost 5 bucks for this mod.Thanks for your interest.

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Response Posted - 03/24/2006 : 17:50:48

The tech tip is updated with the new pics.

Paul

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Response Posted - 03/24/2006 : 18:50:03

Hey Paul, I may be wrong but I think you mixed Franks and Daves lazy jacks projects together on the Tips page.

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Response Posted - 03/24/2006 : 20:26:13

Oooops, I'm sure Frank won't mind sharing the subject, I'll give them both credit.

Which also means I should addressed the ? about the vang orientation to Dave.

Oh, worse things happen on land.
Paul

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Response Posted - 03/25/2006 : 14:11:21

The only question I have is how much downward pressure is exerted on the mast light? Is it sturdy enough for this arrangement over time. It's been a long time since I've looked at it that closely.

River

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Response Posted - 03/29/2006 : 23:23:56

Here is a close-up of my brass clip connections which is different than the single line nylon clip connections of Dave Peters el cheapo lazy jack mod. If you have to buy the brass, my mod will cost a few bucks more than Dave's:

Edited by - AADIVER on 03/29/2006 23:26:29

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Response Posted - 03/30/2006 : 06:54:17

And a couple of bowline knots would eliminate the need to purchase the 3M line whipping, thereby saving even more boat units. ;-)

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Response Posted - 03/30/2006 : 08:23:35

Those are bowlines, however awkwardly tied. Yeah, that tape is real expensive: almost a buck a roll.
But seriously...since I'm planning to keep the jacks up all the time, I should remove the brass hooks and just tie the lines together.

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Response Posted - 04/02/2006 : 23:38:50

I am going to add a very similar Lazy Jack this week. However, one thing I don't understand is the need for a control line. Is it just to retension the jacks after they stretch a bit?

Will the addition of lazy jack lines running under the boom interfere with reefing lines at all? Also, if the lazyjack lines are running under the boom and the control ines are tied off to cleats on the mast, will they hold up the boom essentially eliminating (or interfering with) the topping lift?

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Response Posted - 04/03/2006 : 00:46:00

The "control line", is one continuous line running from a small mast cleat up to the port spreader, back to the the mainsheet attachment on the aft boom, back up to the starboard spreader and back down to a small starboard cleat. Four loops in it provide attachment points for the two "cradles" that catch the main as it's doused. No, those cradle lines don't support the boom in any way, and none of the lines interfere with reefing, especially since I removed the interior reefing line which now runs forward to a block on the mast level with the boom and up to the forward reef cringle, down to a mast base block, then back to the starboard clutch.
The main difference between Dave and my setup is the cradle lines: I have two and Dave has only one, per the pics on the Tech Tip site.

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Response Posted - 04/03/2006 : 07:34:37

seems like there is more than one way to skin a kat.

Both Frank's and Dave's 'inexpensive' lazy jack systems appear to have to cradles, in fact they not 'remarkably' similar, the concept follows several of the commercial versions. The most striking thing to me is the cost.
We dropped the mainsail onto the cabin top the last time out, kinda embarrasing

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My only concern with both versions is the rubbing of the ropes on the mast. I think I'll put some of that self adheasive transparent tape where they rub.

definitely on my 'not expensive to-do' list.

Paul

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Response Posted - 04/03/2006 : 11:06:18

"...rubbing of the ropes on the mast."?

On my setup, the lines lead thru brass rings on the underside of the spreaders and down to small cleats on either side of the mast at boom level. At no point do they touch the mast.
I'll post new pics tomorrow.

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Response Posted - 04/03/2006 : 14:37:52

Ok,I'll bite the bullet and ask the question only because I have never seen a dutchman or lazy jacks etc. I understand [hopefully] the lazy jacks catch the main sail when coming down. What happens to these systems when the main sail is up? It appears the setup used with Farmhand's system is under the sail cover. Is this correct? If so why? Whom ever responds should understand there are five sailboats at our marina. Three are C25's, mine and a Mcgregor. None have this system.........Thanx..... Splash in 39 days.

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Response Posted - 04/03/2006 : 16:20:05

Yes, the doused main drops and flakes neatly on the boom between the two "cradle" lines, which pass under the boom. I then secure the sail with sail ties and cover it with my sailcover, stretching it out between the cradles. I also have the option of securing the two control lines to the mast cleats and removing the cradles. But I choose to keep the jacks up all the time. Because the control lines lead from the spreaders, the slot is wide enough for the lines not to interfere with sail shape underway on all points of sail.

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