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dfultz
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Initially Posted - 01/08/2006 : 22:26:33

serial number on transom of boat cpsk0408m84. My guess is this is a 1984 boat. Anyone know for sure. Any info appreciated.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/08/2006 : 22:32:12

It looks to be an 84'

CPS = Capri Sailboats

K = Model

0408 = Serial Number (sail number)

M84 = 1984, Year of Certification or Manufacture

Check out this [url="http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm"]link to figure out the HIN.[/url]

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 01/09/2006 : 00:18:02

Hull # 408
Month M= December
84=1984

CPSK = The plant where the boat hull was made

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/09/2006 : 01:01:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Capri25
 Hull # 408
Month M= December
84=1984

CPSK = The plant where the boat hull was made
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Chris,

The "M" in the HIN means the HIN is in the "Model Year" format. Daryl might have left off the last letter of the HIN (The HIN is 12 characters) which would indicate the month.

Additionally, the manufacturer identification code is the first three letters (CPS). Catalina use the fourth letter as a model designation (K=C25, L=C27,...)

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 15:29:08

Either I'm a dummy and can't find my HIN, or the PO filled it when doing a gel-coat job - there's a 2nd gelcoat on the deck, not sure about the rest of the hull. Tho the hull above waterline is in very prime shape compared to the remainder of the vessel.

I've got the PO looking for any docs he may have, but not making much headway here.

Using the above posts/links, and the info that I do have, I figure the following:

CPSK0183M80x; or
CPSK0183M81x

The sails that came with the boat are all "183" with two exceptions: a 0.6oz spin from a Catalina 25 and a J/24 blade that I *know* what boat it came from (a friend used to race on her). Given the time frame that I think the boat's from (1981, maybe 1980) I have no reason to doubt this is the correct seq number. Does anyone know if Catalina (or someone) maintains a list of what serials were made when? Then I could back into the year and month. If I can determine the correct HIN, I have no issues cutting that back into the hull (assuming that's legal - I know "removing" the old one wasn't).

Tried to register the boat today and they balked at the lack of HIN (even tho in the form instructions it specifically states "If the vessel has no number please indicate on the application that you have physically inspected the vessel and there is no number".

They claimed that they could not look it up by the prior registration number (same state), however the gentleman helping me did look SOMETHING up and said that the first three characters (Mfr) did not match "Catalina". I wonder if Catalina and Capri use different codes? He wouldnt show me what was (apparently to me, at least) the record in the system for the prior registration number (what he'd just said he could not look up).

Btw, I also found a 2nd set of registration numbers, which included the registration card. UNfortunately, it's a dealer number which are NOT tied to HINs and the card does not contain that info.

Now I really dont have an issue sailing an unregistered boat (the local park patrol doesnt bother the sailors too much, esp during races), but I dont want to go to extremes to get the parks their due - it's a whopping $30.25 which wont keep me from buying new sails, but wont keep me off the water either.

The only other issue is that our local PHRF group (Sailing Assn of Intermountain Lakes) also wants that number on my rating application.

Any help greatly appreciated!
Jim

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 16:00:03

I would call Kent Nelson at Catalina Yachts and see if he could help you out. Call and leave a message. I was lucky enough to get him to awnser the phone. Our Capri has been painted twice and the numbers are still there. We also have a metal card on the aft part of the tramsom on the inside right above the tiller that states its Hull #17.

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 16:50:06

Could you either post his #, email me (SailCO26 at Yahoo dot com), or post where I could find it?

Much appreciated!

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 16:56:50

Catalina Yachts • 21200 Victory Boulevard • Woodland Hills, California 91367 • Phone 818 884-7700

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 17:04:43

Here is my hull number its a 1980 CTSK0017M80L
this is off hull #148, CRSK0148M81D Note that its before 183 and a 1981 So I would count out that its a 1980 hull. The 1982 models are around the 280 hull numbers.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 17:37:03

Mine is hull 309 and was made in 1982,FWIW.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 22:57:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Capri25
 Here is my hull number its a 1980 CTSK0017M80L
this is off hull #148, CRSK0148M81D Note that its before 183 and a 1981 So I would count out that its a 1980 hull. The 1982 models are around the 280 hull numbers.
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Chris,

The Manufacturers Identification Code (MIC) in the first HIN above (CTS) correlates to CTN Inc, a maker of open motorboats and Jon boats.

The MIC in the other HIN, (CRS), is for a company called Cruisers Yachts, which makes cabin cruisers.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 23:23:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Capri25
 Here is my hull number its a 1980 CTSK0017M80L
this is off hull #148, CRSK0148M81D Note that its before 183 and a 1981 So I would count out that its a 1980 hull. The 1982 models are around the 280 hull numbers.
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Chris,

The Manufacturers Identification Code (MIC) in the first HIN above (CTS) correlates to CTN Inc, a maker of open motorboats and Jon boats.

The MIC in the other HIN, (CRS), is for a company called Cruisers Yachts, which makes cabin cruisers.
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I thought Catalina Yachts made our Capri 25? this is my Hull #CTSK0017M80L its on my transom and on the title

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 23:23:19

Don - there was some difficutly when this was origianlly rolled out.

The Wasp was originally listed as CTY and then CYT on later registrations. I have a feeling there are a lot of fat fingret registrations out there. Plus, I believe there are duplicates over the years for the three letter code.

CRS - Catalina Racing Sailboats, Capri Racing Sloop...not to say that your list online is incorrect...just a bunch of people with big phalanges.
Same with CTS - Catalina Sailboats...etc.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 23:32:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 CRS - Catalina Racing Sailboats, Capri Racing Sloop...not to say that your list online is incorrect...just a bunch of people with big phalanges.
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My source for the MIC is the organization charged with assigning and maintaining these codes...the USCG.

[url="http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/mic_database.htm"]USCG MIC Database[/url]

[url="http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/mic_detail.aspx?id=CPS"]CPS = Capri Sailboats[/url]

I don't make up the news, I just report it.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 23:50:09

never said your list was wrong. On the contrary, I know your list is correct as you've sent me that link a while back. (At least I think it was you)...but I've seen the people at the title bureau who enter these things upon sale or re-request of title. They screwed mine up, sure bet they screwed up a bunch of others too. Back in 78 they didn't have a computer, it was some elderly lady with the chain on the glasses looking in a book with 8pt agate type. easy to grab a wrong line I'm sure.

Point being - Chris' could very well be the id on the title

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 23:52:07

I know the Capri 25 was designed in 1978 to 1979 and 2 hulls were moulded and sailed and tested for a year before Catalina started production of these boats. I think that you can read about this in the sea trails article. In 1980 the hin on the Capri 25 boats were CTS(fixed error CPS). All of the 81 models are CRS(fixed error CPS) and after 1981 all of the hull Hins start with CPS. The boat itself has kind of a mistery about her, why did Bultler only produce tell 83 then in 85. Did Catalina have another company produce the hulls for these boats?

The Review states that Catalina Yachts and Capri Sailboats were involved with productions. http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10526

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 23:59:52

Well after all of this I open up the safe and pull out the title to the boat, It seems that I have been the old lady at the title office because

My Hin is CPSK0017M80L Yr 1980 FD Price 16,365.00

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 05/17/2006 : 08:45:41

Vewy intwesting! On my registration application I listed the Mfr as "Catalina" and the model as "Capri". When the rep 'looked up' the prior registration he said the mfr listed in the database was 1 char off from whatever he thought Catalina's was supposed to be. He wouldnt let me see the number, but I'd bet some of the confusion above is what he was dealing with. Hindsight 20/20, I probably should have asked him if the sequence number for that HIN was 0183. Bet it was, and that's my HIN.

I'll try giving Catalina a ring, thanks for all the info and education!

Jim
#183 - Team Short Bus

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/17/2006 : 23:35:39

Jim,

Does the HIN that is etched on the stern of your boat indicate Catalina, Capri, or some other manufacturer?

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 05/18/2006 : 08:56:19

That's just it - there's *no* HIN on the stern (that I've been able to find). I'd expect it to be reasonably obvious, but to date it's escaped me. The deck has definitely been re-gelcoated and I suspect the hull has as well. I think it may have been filled in during this process.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 05/18/2006 : 10:49:05

If it helps, mine is located on the port side of the stern above the rub rail. It is very hard to make out. I also have a plate on the transom, inside the cockpit centered. Apparently you don't?

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Response Posted - 05/18/2006 : 13:21:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SailCO26
 That's just it - there's *no* HIN on the stern (that I've been able to find). I'd expect it to be reasonably obvious, but to date it's escaped me. The deck has definitely been re-gelcoated and I suspect the hull has as well. I think it may have been filled in during this process.
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NO
They are very hard to see, Catalina scratches them in with an old nail.

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