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Help - Remote Controls vs. Tiller Arm on Engine?

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tizer2
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Initially Posted - 09/16/2005 : 14:21:58

I have just purchased a new 2005 C250 Wing Keel with pedestal steering and autopilot. I am trying to decide on the engine that will provide greatest ease of operation for single handed sailing. I am looking at the Nissan/Tohatsu 25" shaft, 4 stroke, 2 cylinder engine, with either remote control or 18" tiller arm. I will be using EZsteer to link the rudder and motor. What are the pro's and con's of remote versus tiller arm? If I went with the remote, what is the best site for the controls? Does any one have a picture?

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SEAN
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Response Posted - 09/16/2005 : 21:21:50

Hey Tizer2,
I have looked at the ezsteer to ,and I dont see how it works with the engine in the up position.My WK 2002 has a mercury 15hp with a motor extention.In the up right the tiller arm gets in the way ,it pulls up only on one side.You would have to diconect it to steer.

I have a long shaft ,It needs a extralong shaft.
The honda has a 12 amp charger the mercury has a 10 amp.
On the forum they say you dont even need a 9hp to power a wk,
I never run my motor past half throtal most of the time and I move about 5 knots higher reves gets me to a (almost) steady 7 knots.
I have been caught in a bad storm with winds comeing head on and it slowed me to zero a couple of times .They had to be 50 mph gusts of wind . When you hear thunder head home !
The motor came with the boat but if I replace it I would get a Honda extra long,Edson has a Dual-lever engine control for remote engines .It fits pedestal models.
good luck post pics

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zebra50
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Response Posted - 09/17/2005 : 11:37:08

I have pedestal steering with engine controls and find it to be superior to the tiller method. Much easier to run single handed, no need to reach or look down. Controls are mounted on eash side of the pedestal, forward reverse on teh left side, fast slow on the right. I also have the EZsteer but have not figured out where or how to hook up the motor end when disconnecting it from the motor when the motor is raised during sailing.

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tizer2
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Response Posted - 09/19/2005 : 06:37:52

The EZsteer website suggests you pop the rod off at the rudder, lay the rod alongside the engine and hold in place with a bungee cord. Does this sound feasible

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tizer2
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Response Posted - 09/19/2005 : 06:53:19

I like the idea of the Edson Dual Lever Controls. But does this replace the remote control unit for the engine? I think I am going to purchase the Nissan 9.8 engine with 25" shaft. It only comes standard with a tiller arm that can be removed when adding their remote control unit, which is too bulky to put on the wheel. Any ideas would be appreciated as I'm really confused about engine options

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Auburn80
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Response Posted - 09/19/2005 : 13:49:50

I'm pretty sure the Edson controls replace the Nissan/Tohatsu units. The Edson has two controls - 1 for shift & 1 for throttle and operate cables that are run down the pedestal and back to the stern to connect to the motor. The job could be a bit tricky so research carefully how it would be installed.

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tizer2
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Response Posted - 09/19/2005 : 19:16:32

Thanks everyone for the advice

. I checked with Edson and they said their dual control levers would replace the remote control unit and I could eliminate the tiller arm. All I need is a connection kit from Nissan. I am going to have my dealer install these when he commissions the boat. The boat will be coming from Florida to Canada in mid October, around our Thanksgiving, just on-time for winter lay-up, so I won't get to try it out till next spring

. This is my fist sailboat, so I'm pretty excited, although spring seems an eternity away. Now, if I could only get that darned (can you say that on this site) EZsteer figured out!

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zebra50
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Response Posted - 09/26/2005 : 16:06:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tizer2
 The EZsteer website suggests you pop the rod off at the rudder, lay the rod alongside the engine and hold in place with a bungee cord. Does this sound feasible

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It appears to be more feasible to pop off the motor after raising it and hook it somehow to the rail above the rudder. Way to difficult to reach or climb down to the rudder to unhook & rehook there.

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frankr
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Response Posted - 09/26/2005 : 20:19:38

I have a 9.9 Tohatsu with remote shift and throttle and an EZ-Steer linkage. I have a short length of cord tied to the EZ Steer link and a caribiner at the other end. The carabiner snaps onto the transom bar (keeps it from joining Neptune's tool box). I removed the motor's tiller handle ( two bolts) and keep it in the bilge area under the aft berth if it is ever needed. It is necessary to disconnect one end of the EZ Steer it you want to raise the motor. You can take you choice whether to hang upside down closer to the water to disconnect at the rudder or hang further out from the transom to disconnect from the motor. I put a cable tie around the EZ Steer connectors that attach to the rudder and motor so I can connect/disconnect with one hand ( hold link with fingers and use thumb to puch down on the motor ot rudder connector. But in reality I usually leave the motor down and the link connected (keep steeering friction on motor loose) while sailing - yes it does cost some speed - but if I wanted speed I would get a stink pot. The next time I'm at the boat I'll take some picts of the setup.

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zebra50
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Response Posted - 10/04/2005 : 12:21:08

Went to the boat this weekend and must correct my original idea of disconnect from the motor. When raising the motor the EZ Steer is to short to go up with it. I will have to try frankrs idea after I see the pictures.

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