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River Harley
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Initially Posted - 09/06/2005 : 21:13:14

We have been considering purchasing a "sock" to protect the jib during winter months when our boat is in the dry storage lot on the trailer (We do not de-mast the boat and the furler stays attached as well). As far as UV protection, I was advised by Catalina that the jib sail is equipped with a type of "cover" built into the sail on the leech. Someone else described this to me as a piece of material sewn onto a section of the sail which shields the sail when it is furled. Maybe I'm just feeble-minded but I am unable to envision how this works, especially considering the geometry of the sail as it is drawn into the furled position. Can anyone diagram this or describe it in a way that my brain will embrace it??

Also, a commercial sail-maker suggested that to protect from winter mold it would be better, cheaper, and just as easy to simply remove the sail from the furler during the winter. I've not done that since owning the boat. Is it easy to do without taking the mast down???

River Harley

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 09/06/2005 : 22:00:02

What kind of fuller system do you have? Either one though is not hard to remove the Jib and you do not have to lower the mast. As for how the uv protection works, look around your marina and fine a boat that has, what looks like a blue cover over the rolled up jib. Then go take a close look and you will find it is a piece of sunbrella attached to the leach and foot of the sail. You will know them when under sail since they will have a blue leach and foot. I would remove it for winter storage, take it home clean it good and pack it away in a conditioned space.
If this storm keeps getting bigger and comes the way they say I will be pulling mine off tomorrow along with the boom, mainsail, motor and be adding more lines.

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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 00:05:42

If you drop the sail remember to tie a length of line on the halyard where its tied to the drum. That way you'll have something to pull on when you put the sail back on the furler.

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River Harley
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 04:03:41

I believe ours is the CDI furler

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by frog0911
 What kind of fuller system do you have? Either one though is not hard to remove the Jib and you do not have to lower the mast. As for how the uv protection works, look around your marina and fine a boat that has, what looks like a blue cover over the rolled up jib. Then go take a close look and you will find it is a piece of sunbrella attached to the leach and foot of the sail. You will know them when under sail since they will have a blue leach and foot. I would remove it for winter storage, take it home clean it good and pack it away in a conditioned space.
If this storm keeps getting bigger and comes the way they say I will be pulling mine off tomorrow along with the boom, mainsail, motor and be adding more lines.
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frog0911
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 08:37:27

That being the case, it is my understanding that the CDI has its own internal halyard. That should not pose a problem as long as you insure that it doesn't, as already mention, end up at the top of the mast after you remove the sail.

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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 21:15:03

When you drop the jib, you'll need a spare line that will reach to the top of the furler. If your boat is a 1997 or older, the CDI internal halyard is attached to a plastic traveler. The newer models replaced the traveler with a ferrule crimped around the halyard inside the foil. Either way, as you take the jib down you don't want the end of the halyard going up the foil without a way to pull it back down. You'll need to use your spare line to extend the internal halyard so you can pull it down when you want to raise the jib again.
The CDI manual describes this a little bit. If you don't have the manual [url="http://www.sailcdi.com/sailpdf/FF4&6%20manual%204.04.pdf"]click here.[/url]

I second the suggestion to remove and store in a dry place for the winter.

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mday
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Response Posted - 09/10/2005 : 01:35:54

I just went through the decision on UV protection for my jib and opted for some protective material (such as sunbrella) sewn on the leech and the foot of the sail. I've seen too many shredded socks in my marina, and I liked the built in cover aspects of the material added to the jib. I haven't had much sailing time with it yet, but others in this forum were very positive on this method for UV protection on the sail and it seems to work well so far. I really need it here in Arizona (aka the valley of the sun), since my boat is out in the sun all year. My biggest concern was added weight to the sail, but I have a drifter for light air if it comes to that. Most of the time I'm fighting gusty conditions and it's not an issue. I'll try and take some pictures this weekend to help you visualize.

I took the jib down to get the material sewn on the edges, and it was relatively easy to do. As pointed out above, you need to tie some line on the halyard when you pull the sail down.

Max

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mday
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Response Posted - 09/12/2005 : 02:08:27

This is my 1st attempt to post pictures from shutterfly -- since previous attempts from Yahoo failed. Please let me know if this doesn't work .......

Here's a picture from today that should give a good idea of the UV protection area sewn on the sail and how it rolls up:

All rolled up, only the edge material is exposed:

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Response Posted - 09/12/2005 : 06:49:44

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what hull number the 250WB moved shrouds from outside the lifelines to inside. I see that Max's boat has the shrounds outside and below the windows, and I guess that also means he doesn't have the headbanger steel load transfer bars in the cabin either?

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Response Posted - 09/12/2005 : 11:49:48

I can answer that, "Oscar" previous owner of Hull 618 had the shrouds out on the outside, I own hull 619 and mine are on the inside. Both wb boats are 2002. My boats CDI furler came with the sunbrella UV wrap on the jib edge, navy blue which matched my bimini and sail cover. Oscars jib had no such fabric. ( I believe the sunbrella is a package deal from Catalina).
After going through sail removal for many hurricanes last year, I can tell you it is not a big deal to remove the CDI jib. It would be worth it to take it off for the winter months in your case. With another pair of hands (much easier then!)I'd remove the boom as well keeping the main attached. I replaced clevis pins with snap shackles to make this process faster. (off the top of my head I have one on the main sheet attchmt. point, where the boom attaches to mast and also one on the rear attach point which holds boom up.)

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bill bosworth
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Response Posted - 09/12/2005 : 19:44:40

River;
I have a 1995 250wb, that I got used in 1995. The previous owner had just had sunbrella added to the jib for sun protection. When I first started sailing the boat I was very unhappy with the way the boat sailed, and concluded that the shape of the jib was being severly distorted by the sunbrella. I got a seam ripper from my wife and did surgery on the sail. I found that the boat sailed MUCH better without the furling cover. I had a sock made for the jib, it fits fairly snugly so it doesnt flutter around in the wind. Taking the sock on and off is a bit of work, but seems to be worth the effort in sail protection, and better sail shape. I go along with all of the others, remove the sail for the winter, with the CDI furler it's a snap to do, just don't loose the halyard!
Bill
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mday
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Response Posted - 09/13/2005 : 01:41:11

Bill,

Hmmmmm .... I just had this done and I'm wondering if it will prove worthwhile in the long run. So far, my 250wb seems to be handling about the same in the shifty lake winds I usually sail in. I'm also not trying to do any distance cruising where an inefficient sail might add some time getting there. Part of my decision to have the edge sewn on was that the jib was already deteriorating along the exposed edges and I thought I'd give this a try instead of buying a new headsail. It's working well for me so far and I'm happy with it.

Besides, the admiral has me fussing with enough other things, so I see a big plus not to have to mess with a sock on the headsail.

Max

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