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Akenumber
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Initially Posted - 01/06/2019 :  18:58:32  Show Profile
So, haven't had issues with this in the past. The problem is lately when we winch our main sail or the sheets the line seems to coil around its self instead of laying up the winch. We are talking 3 to 4 wraps here. Is there a simple fix or does this just happen sometimes? Lewmar 6, I think. Non tailing. Any help appreciated.
Ken
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84 C25 SR/FK 4116
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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 01/06/2019 :  19:18:31  Show Profile  Visit Peregrine's Homepage
Less wraps, tail overhand and pull to the side, it will bring in 3X the line so no binding.

John Gisondi
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 01/06/2019 :  19:22:20  Show Profile
I think you are referring to your jib sheet, not main sheet. The two most common reasons why the jib sheet overrides itself on the winch are: (1) The jib sheet must run up, from the genoa car to the winch. If it runs downward, it can override.
(2) You must pull the jib sheet with a smooth, constant speed, and not too fast. If you pull it too fast, and not at a constant speed, then the winch is spinning fast, and when you pull the sheet slower, the winch grips the line and overrides itself.

When I first bought my C25 I had fairly frequent overrides, but after awhile it stopped happening, so I suspect your problem is mostly line handling technique described in (2).

John makes a good point. Only put two wraps on the winch. Ordinarily that's enough. More wraps invites overrides.
Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 01/06/2019 :  21:02:33  Show Profile
I think my most common cause of overrides on the winch was yanking the sheet to take it up as the sail came across in a tack. Don’t try to get it all in instantly—it actually won’t even help performance. Trimming smoothly as the sail fills while you adjust course back to windward (after turning a little past your planned heading) gets you going and keeps a steady tension on the winch. Also pull the sheet horizontally off the winch—not upward, which causes the wraps to climb up the drum until they override. And yes, no more than three turns—generally two except in heavy conditions.
Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
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Akenumber
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Response Posted - 01/06/2019 :  22:02:31  Show Profile
I would have to say at 2 to 3 also does it, but smoothness probably has something to do with it. I know the angle on the main I's not ideal, but the jib sheets should be smooth. I was kinda thinking age of the sheets might be an issue, but maybe it's seasonal techniques.
Ken
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islander
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Response Posted - 01/07/2019 :  16:48:12  Show Profile
All the above is sound advice but Ken also mentioned the condition of the sheets adding to the overwrap. Try washing the sheets. I toss mine in a mesh bag and add them to the washing machine once a season. Gets all the salt and dirt out of them.
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound


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Akenumber
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Response Posted - 01/08/2019 :  06:31:48  Show Profile
Good idea about washing. I will try that and keep an eye on being smooth. Thanks for the help.
Ken
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Sailynn
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Response Posted - 01/19/2019 :  22:56:43  Show Profile
Two wraps at most till you can't pull. Then add a third wrap to use winch pulling to side slightly up.
Lynn Buchanan
1988 C25 SR/WK #5777
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