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Sublime
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Initially Posted - 07/02/2018 : 12:08:19

I have a head that goes to a tank. It's a new to me boat and is in the water. I don't trust the seacocks and will replace them this winter season. But I'm wondering if I could pour some water into the head and then pump it to the tank so we could still use it without potentially sinking the boat?

This is a '77 cat 25.

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Edited by - Sublime on 07/02/2018 12:09:24

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Response Posted - 07/02/2018 : 12:48:40

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But I'm wondering if I could pour some water into the head and then pump it to the tank...

Your blackwater tank has no seacock connection through the hull. It has an inlet from the head, a pump out hose to a deckplate and a vent line to the deck.

The seacock is somewhere forward (just at the aft end of the v-berth near the hull centerline in my '85). This feeds the head and drains the forward sink. If it's leaking, you'd be able to see it.

Tim Keating
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Response Posted - 07/02/2018 : 13:05:34

Yes, unless the tank is full. In fact, I plumbed water from my fresh water tank to a small pump and tube that just goes over the edge of the bowl. This has basically removed all odor issues with my head system. I've found that essentially all head odor issues result from dying/rotting organisms from sea water, not sewage.

RichardG 81 FK/SR #2657
Terminal Island, CA

Edited by - RichardG on 07/02/2018 13:18:12

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Response Posted - 07/02/2018 : 13:29:01

how much water does the head need?

I just want to skip the inlet for water until I can make sure nothing that can sink the boat is going to leak.

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Response Posted - 07/02/2018 : 13:37:52

You could do exactly what you propose. Perhaps keep a gallon jug near the head and pour as needed. I don�t think it would take much. (A quart???)

However, I agree with above statements that, rather than avoid the seacock and plumbing, go ahead and open the valve while you are at the boat. Check it for leaks a minute or two later. Then an hour later. Then before you leave for the day. If it doesn�t leak, it doesn�t leak and you are all set. If it does leak somewhere, you will know what to replace...and could likely do so anytime, rather than waiting for the seacock replacement job.

Before you leave the boat, close all seacocks. That is standard procedure on all boats, not just because you are concerned about this boat.

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Response Posted - 07/02/2018 : 14:07:34

Honestly your boat is a 77 and could have the original volcano seacocks. This boat is new to you so without knowing any history I wouldn't touch them until the boat is out of the water where you can safely try to open them or replace them if they are the volcano type. let a sleeping dog lie as they say. Trying to open them while in the water is just a huge risk. What is the back up plan if the whole seacock comes out in your hand and water is gushing in? Why is it closed?? when was the last time it was open?? Is it closed for a reason ?? Too many unknowns in my opinion. Carry some water in gallon containers and flush that way.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Edited by - islander on 07/02/2018 14:10:22

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Response Posted - 07/02/2018 : 18:00:35

I agree with Scott, don't mess with an old seacock (or worse, gate valve) which you don't know the condition of while in the water. (Unless you're already in the slings for a haulout.)

See if this anecdote doesn't make your skin crawl. I bought my 1979 Catalina 25 in the water in Miami. I left my girlfriend aboard to tidy up while I went to pick up a spare motor for the trip home to Port Canaveral. When I got back, she had a twisted off gate valve handle in her hand, asking of this was important. *face palm w/clenched teeth*

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Response Posted - 07/02/2018 : 18:06:37

Regarding checking seacock in water I agree that you should wait until o the hard and then check/inspect/replace. Regarding fresh water to operate the head, one of the projects on my to do list is to rejuvenate the head. I would like to have a fresh water system to avid smells that salt water will create in the holding tank. Has anyone installed such a system? The approach Richard has taken may be the ticket, but I was considering using my fresh water tank for the head and not using it for the galley rather using jug water for cleaning/drinking.

Peter Bigelow
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Rowayton, Ct
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Response Posted - 07/02/2018 : 19:28:07

Gallon jug of water will be more than enough for a few flushes. When I got my boat it always smelled. Finally got tired of it, pumped the tank and have used fresh water since and it has NEVER smelled since.

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Response Posted - 07/02/2018 : 22:44:51

Re: "I would like to have a fresh water system to avoid smells that salt water will create in the holding tank. Has anyone installed such a system"

In my Catalina 25, I have pressure water. The head sink drain and head raw water intake share the same thru-hull using a T-fitting atop the seacock. With the seacock open, the head flushes with whatever the boat is floating in. With the seacock closed, the head flushes using water from the sink drain. So, wash hands, then flush with that same water. Or, just run water in the sink to flush with. On trips, leave the seacock open until the last day. The last couple flushes with fresh water rinse out the head hoses.

My rigid 16 gallon holding tank under the V-berth has two 1" vent hoses to thru-hulls high in the topsides near the bow, which provides a cross flow of air through the holding tank.

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Response Posted - 07/03/2018 : 15:36:49

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let a sleeping dog lie as they say.

Exactly why I'm not touching them. They aren't leaking now *touch wood* and the previous owner said they never used the head so I'm replacing them over winter and won't even breathe on them until then lol.

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Response Posted - 07/17/2018 : 17:19:37

I don't have a pressurized system, but a few pumps of the whale gusher at the sink and the head flushes just fine. Sometimes a few extra pumps is needed, but always less than a quart.

Ken
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Response Posted - 07/18/2018 : 05:53:07

*Wow!* I�m really loving my porta potty right now. I recently figured out how to use the local pump out adapter at the gas dock to clean it out. No brainer! Thank you one more time Dave Stinkpotter!

Bruce Ross
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