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Hull 922 - Nicro Day/Night Solar Vent - Where?

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Carl in LA
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Initially Posted - 01/27/2017 : 17:26:21

Hi All... New topic for Hull 922...

I'm adding a Nicro Day/Night Solar Vent...

Is there a consensus on where to install?

Thinking either just behind the mast in the flat part of the mast step...

Just in front of the mast on the mast step flat part...

Or on the forward hatch (not flat - curved surface)

Thoughts?

Carl

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Response Posted - 01/27/2017 : 18:26:32

on the forward hatch.
that's were most are located.
DB.

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Response Posted - 01/27/2017 : 22:05:13

Is your hatch fiberglass or acrylic?

If the former, it's a good spot. If acrylic, you might regret the lost view. And acrylic can be difficult to cut without causing cracks that could result in leaks.

Rick S., Swarthmore, PA
PO of Take Five, 1998 Catalina 250WK #348 (relocated to Baltimore's Inner Harbor)
New owner of 2001 Catalina 34MkII #1535 Breakin' Away (at Rock Hall Landing Marina)

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Response Posted - 01/28/2017 : 06:22:50

I suggest you do a search on the reliability of the Nic. Vents. Many have had problems with them and others not. Try the search function here and other forums.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Response Posted - 01/28/2017 : 06:28:24

Rick... the forward hatch is fiberglass apparently of the nice quality of the remainder of the boat. The hatch is a curved surface complicating mounting.

Also... with limited deck space on the 250 walking/standing on that hatch is pretty valuable - so giving it up to the solar vent is being considered with caution.

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Is your hatch fiberglass or acrylic?

If the former, it's a good spot. If acrylic, you might regret the lost view. And acrylic can be difficult to cut without causing cracks that could result in leaks.

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Carl in LA
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Response Posted - 01/28/2017 : 06:36:08

Hi Scott...

I may have searched here and I did google search other sites. Agree there are mixed results on lifespan. That said - moving air is a valuable drying method. Solar is attractive as No. 922 will be sitting on its trailer without power for the vast majority of my ownership.

Also went through the logic that for the price of one nicro I could buy three lower cost units.

A lesser of two evils area (including where to mount that thing...)

quote:
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I suggest you do a search on the reliability of the Nic. Vents. Many have had problems with them and others not. Try the search function here and other forums.

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Response Posted - 01/28/2017 : 08:07:25

Glad your hatch is fiberglass. A few later boats had acrylic, which provides a nice view, but IMO is a slip hazard.

My boat had a cutout in the hatch for a vent, but it was blanked off. Reason is probably tripping hazard, as you mentioned.

I always avoid cutting holes wherever possible. Nicro vents create a special problem because they need to be horizontal for sun exposure, plus the reliability issues.

Here's my suggestion: Put a 12v computer fan in the companionway hatchboard, with a separate very small solar panel to power it. (Doesn't take much power.) Make a temporary hatchboard for this if you don't want to cut into your original one. Put a cowl vent or similar over the fan to prevent rain intrusion.

I always hated Nicro vents (still do), and instead opted for a Peltier dehumidifier that drained into the galley sink. It ran off 120v power brick which put out 5-6 amps @12v. In theory you could run one of these off a solar panel, but it needs a pretty beefy solar panel for that.

[EDIT: Hate is too strong a word. I've just been poorly impressed by failures in the field and general reliability problems. My new boat came with one in the hatch, and it has leaked more water into the boat than it's ever removed. If there wasn't a big hole in my nice acrylic hatch, I would remove it.]

Rick S., Swarthmore, PA
PO of Take Five, 1998 Catalina 250WK #348 (relocated to Baltimore's Inner Harbor)
New owner of 2001 Catalina 34MkII #1535 Breakin' Away (at Rock Hall Landing Marina)

Edited by - TakeFive on 01/28/2017 09:57:28

Carl in LA
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Response Posted - 01/28/2017 : 10:27:36

Edit noted...

Best,

Carl

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Response Posted - 01/28/2017 : 13:24:11

quote:
Originally posted by TakeFive

Here's my suggestion: Put a 12v computer fan in the companionway hatchboard, with a separate very small solar panel to power it. (Doesn't take much power.)...

However, the primary objective of the Nicro is for the rechargeable battery to power the fan at night in order to pull out the daytime moisture that condenses on everything as it cools. The cooler outside air that's pulled in has already dropped much of its moisture as dew. I don't know what other electronics are needed to rig a rechargeable battery into the mix--I recall seeing something in my Nicro...

Dave Bristle
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Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

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Response Posted - 01/28/2017 : 22:30:51

If I could do it over again I would NOT go with a solar-powered Nicro vent. Not that it's not an awesome idea. Using a small, built-in 1/2W solar panel to charge a single C-size NiMH battery and running a very light motor and fan overnight as DaveStinkpotter says is brilliant. The problem is that the motor eventually seizes up and the unit becomes inoperable. The manufacturer graciously offers replacement motors depending on the age of the unit. But it eventually becomes a losing battle.
I would instead purchase a passive cowl-type ventilator and buy a computer fan or a 3" USB fan I found at WestMarine. I took the guts out of a solar light with a LiFe 3VDC 600 mAH battery and it works fine. I haven't figured out where to place the solar panel, that's all. It would be amazing if the original unit worked for, say 10 or more years.

Bruce Ross
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Carl in LA
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Response Posted - 02/03/2017 : 22:00:12

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Originally posted by Carl in LA

Hi All... New topic for Hull 922...

Just in front of the mast on the mast step flat part...

Or on the forward hatch (not flat - curved surface)

Follow-up... what material is inside the core? Is it plywood or some synthetic board?

I have not yet drilled through the deck...

Carl

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Response Posted - 02/03/2017 : 22:36:55

My cabin top was end-grain balsa around the chainplates.

Rick S., Swarthmore, PA
PO of Take Five, 1998 Catalina 250WK #348 (relocated to Baltimore's Inner Harbor)
New owner of 2001 Catalina 34MkII #1535 Breakin' Away (at Rock Hall Landing Marina)

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Response Posted - 02/04/2017 : 05:48:50

Thanks Rick...

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My cabin top was end-grain balsa around the chainplates.

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Carl in LA
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Response Posted - 03/17/2017 : 16:38:08

I ended up locating the Nicro under the boom...

But I started with a vent aft as a source for air to come into the boat...

Then went forward for the install.

Centered the device and left enough room to work the canvas buttons behind...

Then the hole saw did its job... (about that hole saw... be careful to really read the instructions, as the first hole size in the instructions is for mounting in a plexi hatch - and it calls for a 4-1/2 inch hole... but if you are mounting through the deck - and want to use the trim ring on the interior - you need to use a 4-3/4 inch hole... I did not read the instructions that closely and used a 4-1/2 hole saw, which did not accept the trim ring - so I had to cut the trim ring to just cover the bottom of the unit - but not slip up into the hole as intended)

Next set the base plate with sealant around the hole, the gasket the device came with, and then a bead of sealant around the outer bottom edge of the plate.

Then the unit just screws into the base plate.

Then the trim ring (with the above consideration)...

Hope it lasts a long time.

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Edited by - Carl in LA on 03/17/2017 16:47:37

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Response Posted - 03/17/2017 : 17:52:47

Nice job!

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