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tomh
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Initially Posted - 06/04/2012 : 14:20:04

I'm getting ready to replace my 1978 Chrysler 9.9 and am looking at the 9.9 mercury in the west marine catalog. The one thing that concerns me is that the WM version is manual start. Should this bother me? I am running one deep cycle battery and my perception is that these new engines start pretty easily and that simple is better. Any thoughts?

Tom

1978 C25 "Karma" #790
Toledo Beach Marina
LaSalle, Michigan

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 06/04/2012 : 15:07:30

I think you may need to find a Mercury dealer. It doesn't appear that WM sells the 25" XL Shaft. All I found were 15" or 20" listed. Personally I would go for electric start and alternator.

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islander
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Response Posted - 06/04/2012 : 15:23:31

Why not use onlineoutboards.com They give forum members a discount.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 06/04/2012 : 15:35:29

Tom,

I have what was new when I first purchased it, a 2006 Honda 9.9 XLS w/electric start and that model comes with a 12A charger, though, I normally do not use the outboard that much to take full benefit of it's charging capability, perhaps 10 minutes or more in and out of the marina with occassional long runs for 3/4-1 hour when wind has died. Sometimes, the mfr (Honda, Mercury, Yamaha, Tohatsu) may have additional things bundled with going with electric start, so best to see what addl you may be giving up if you go with a manual. For example, besides the higher charge capability going with the electric start on my Honda, it also does not have a manual choke to fiddle with and while some like the manual choke control, I have found that my Honda has worked flawlessly ever since I bought it and I am sometimes out in cold weather (winter months) and have not missed fiddling with a choke.

But to answer your question more directly, you should have no problem starting the 4 stroke with the pull cord. Even though I have an electric start, every so often I start it with the pull cord and it usually starts on the first pull.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 06/04/2012 : 16:39:30

Hi Tom, not trying to spend your money, but, I'd spring for the electric start. #1 reason, if you get hit by a sudden/surprise storm - it's nice not to be distracted with a pull rope. Say someone takes a tumble and sustains an injury . . . the admiral has a girls night out . . . Jimmy Buffet appears on the horizon . . . yachti, yachti, yachti.

Just for comparison - one goofy thing Yamaha did - their electric start version doesn't have a built-in pull rope. You have to remove the main cover, remove a secondary cover and wrap the pull rope around the flywheel! Real dumb.

But as you mention motors are much more reliable than they used to be - unless you let gas sit in your fuel tank for weeks at a time

Good luck!

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Jack Schafer
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Response Posted - 06/04/2012 : 18:04:55

Just bought a new Tahatsu 9.8 Electric start only way to go. They also make Nissan and Mercury outboards. Only difference is label.Thanks to the forum, After making a critical error in installation,called stupidity,I found the only reference to a line fuse in the Tahatsu. Thanks

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Response Posted - 06/04/2012 : 18:51:35

Ya Tom... 64, going on 70-something... It sure is nice to reach back, push a button, and hear that pretty little 4-stroke hum. With my Honda 8, it was like starting a Honda Civic (instead of a Model T). I wouldn't go back!

I second motion for the XL (25") shaft--the only thing to have on a C-25 except in a little pond.

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tomh
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Response Posted - 06/04/2012 : 18:58:54

I just ordered a Tohatsu 9.8hp with electric start and an extra long (25") shaft from onlineoutboards.com based on the comments from this forum. Thanks for the input.

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Response Posted - 06/04/2012 : 19:02:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tomh
 I just ordered a Tohatsu 9.8hp with electric start and an extra long (25") shaft from onlineoutboards.com based on the comments from this forum. Thanks for the input.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Bravo Tom!

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rrick
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Response Posted - 06/04/2012 : 19:07:13

Don't stress over buying local unless proof the dealer/installer is competent. The holes my dealer drilled and their wiring, OMG!
Although my '05 9.9 Suzuki is the quietest on the lake (next to Snickerdoodle C25 of course, who just put on a Torqeedo 24V outboard), pull starting is hard on elbows and requires a few takes while finessing the throttle. GREEN BUTTON (or battery switch for a Torqeedo) my Man!

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pfduffy
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Response Posted - 06/05/2012 : 05:50:52

I will also register a vote for the 25" electric start Tohatsu from online outboards. Service was great and other than the idle set a bit too low, I have no complaints. Previous motor was a manual start and I do not miss it even a little!!!

@Jack Schafer - glad to hear that I am not the only one who blew that fuse! Did you drop the spare into the drink?? I did!!

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Jack Schafer
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Response Posted - 06/06/2012 : 08:23:41

pfduffy:
No I didn't drop it. I was too happy to see a spare. I had visions of a fried electrical system. you would think that after 40 years of telephone work I would check polarity. But... It all turned out well. Also had to replace fuse for radio. Outboard has been working beautiful and I enjoy how quiet it is. I am following the break in procedure and I do not think I will ever have this motor at full throttle. Half throttle gets me to almost hull speed

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 06/06/2012 : 19:39:56

Just for information: I ordered my Merc through WM, they can get them, but I showed them the OnLine Outboard Tohatsu price and got a major adjustment .

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tomh
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Response Posted - 06/08/2012 : 05:34:23

The new motor was delivered yesterday. It looks great and I was very impressed with onlineoutboards.com. I'm going to be switching motors on Karma this afternoon.

One question.....my battery is behind the water tank under the starboard settee. Is the battery cable on the motor long enough to reach the battery or will I have to modify something?

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pfduffy
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Response Posted - 06/08/2012 : 05:54:34

Tom - I am pretty sure your battery cable will not reach - mine did not. I used an existing extension that the PO had installed. I'm considering replacing it because I am not happy about the cable routing or the way it is connected.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/08/2012 : 06:56:51

The one that came with my 6HP SailPro is nowhere near long enough......

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 06/08/2012 : 08:19:17

I put a trolling motor receptacle in the transom, cut the motor cable shorter and put a plug on it. The receptacle is hardwired to the battery switch and the motor is easily removed.

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pfduffy
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Response Posted - 06/08/2012 : 08:56:09

Dave - I am considering doing just that, except I intend to put the trolling motor plug inside in the small shelf at the aft end of the quarterberth. Right now, the lugs are just bolted together. Not good.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 06/08/2012 : 17:45:33

I think some others have put it inside. Personally, I like the watertight design of the receptacle to make it easy to seal the opening. The plug/receptacle are primarily used on open bass boats, so they are pretty durable.

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tomh
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Response Posted - 06/10/2012 : 15:06:26

I installed the Tohatsu last Friday. To fix the battery connection problem, I cut off the ring terminals on the motor cables and spliced them to the existing battery cable. What a satisfying feeling to push the start button and hear the motor purr.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 06/10/2012 : 15:17:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">What a satisfying feeling to push the start button and hear the motor purr.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I see that you are in Sandusky, so I assume, freshwater, Lake Erie. My only advice with the Tohatsu is to run the gas out of the motor after use. I learned the hard way, ie: two carb cleanings, to run the gas out of the motor. For me it's not difficult, I do it while I'm flushing the motor.

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tomh
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Response Posted - 06/26/2012 : 06:35:10

Davy,

What is the process for running the fuel out of the motor? I assume that you just cut the fuel supply and run the motor until it quits.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/26/2012 : 06:48:01

I had the Nissan 9.8 XL elec start. I simply disconnected the fuel hose from the motor and let it run the fuel out. The motor will continue to run for several minutes after pulling the hose, so I soon learned I could pull it well before entering the slip. If you are going to be away from the boat for a few weeks, drain the carb bowl too. Running the motor dry will not empty the bowl completely.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 06/26/2012 : 07:03:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I simply disconnected the fuel hose from the motor and let it run the fuel out. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
That's what I do. Since I am in Saltwater, I flush the motor while the fuel runs out.

Another thing that I started doing after having to clean my carb a couple of times is this; I keep the fuel tank and hose in the garage and not on the boat, right before use, I drain the fuel that has been sitting in the hose since the last use. When my fuel line was new, the fuel that came out was much darker than fresh gas. However, since I've been doing this for a couple of years now, the old fuel seems cleaner. It's just an extra precaution I take.

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 06/26/2012 : 09:15:33

Davy J,
Can you explain how you drain the fuel line? Every time I have done it, it is a complicated process of holding the ball valves open and overcoming the check valve in the bulb.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 06/26/2012 : 09:46:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Davy J, Can you explain how you drain the fuel line?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
First, let me say that I am using the stock 3 gallon Tohatsu fuel tank and hose. Although I do have a 6 gallon tank that I use on longer trips. Works the same for both.

The tank needs to be elevated above the primer and end of fuel line.

Have something to catch the fuel.

I insert a rod into the fitting end of the hose that would normally attach to motor. It's roughly about twice the diameter of a coat hanger. Some fuel may come out when you do this.

The primer bulb has to be situated so that the side that leads to the end of the fuel line is pointed directly upward.

Make sure fuel tank vent is open.

Pump the primer a few times, gravity will take over and fuel will siphon out of fuel line.

When fuel looks clean, usually about a cup of fuel, remove rod in the end of fuel fitting. I use a rubber glove on that hand so I don't smell like a gas station all day...

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