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Initially Posted - 10/24/2011 : 11:10:59

http://www.americascup.com/en/Latest/Gallery/2011/9/Capsize-Club---Smashing-Sunday/

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/24/2011 : 12:43:58

Well, they're having fun! I wonder what led to the collision...

I've always thought that the reverse-raked bows and flat bottoms on those amas would cause submarining, or at least do nothing to prevent it--sorta like you see there.

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Response Posted - 10/24/2011 : 13:56:26

Awesome!!!

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Response Posted - 10/24/2011 : 14:41:48

They do look like they're having fun. It was astounding to see them lay the mast down on the starboard, right the boat and immediately go over 180° to the port side with barely a slowdown in the motion as it went over again. And did you see the clip where the guy fell through the sail? That had to be a $20,000 hole in the sail.

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Response Posted - 10/24/2011 : 15:27:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by delliottg
 ...It was astounding to see them lay the mast down on the starboard, right the boat and immediately go over 180° to the port side with barely a slowdown in the motion as it went over again...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">You've never done that? I have! It's easier than you might think...

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Response Posted - 10/24/2011 : 16:58:01

In Sailfish & Dolphins, yes, I never managed to lay the mast down on my Venture cat (not for lack of trying). In fact it was difficult to fly a rail on that boat. I'm sure my bulk, plus an extra 110lb dog had nothing to do with that.

My little sister, oldest brother and a friend spent hours trying to right a rental cat off of Molokai (I think?) constantly flopping back and forth. My brother had fallen off and was several hundred yards away, and the only one on board who had a clue about sailing. My sister and his friend had tried to gybe to go back to get him and that started roughly 20 rightings followed by 19 capsizes till they finally figure it out. My brother had decided to try to swim back to shore because he was worried about getting carried out to sea. He figured he'd just make the point if he kept up a slow crawl. As a Navy dive master, he may have made it, but they finally got the boat righted and staying upright long enough to sail back to him.

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Response Posted - 10/24/2011 : 18:45:22

The preps for the upcoming races are very exciting.
I have CNN - International on my cable system and PVR a program called "MainSail"

This Friday's show consisted of four segments:
Niklas Zennstrom's team showing enormous team cohesion,
another multi-lingual European team on Esimit Europa 2 who were challenged to communicate,
the third on the Oracle boats preparing for the AC (with a lot of the shots shown here)
and the last with Ben Ainslie practicing for the next Olympics.

In the Oracle segment, not only did we see the boats capsizing with a crewmember falling through the sail, but two boats were shown colliding in slow motion with equipment damage.

If you have the channel, record it - it's worth it. You can also see it here: http://edition.cnn.com/CNNI/Programs/main.sail/

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Response Posted - 10/25/2011 : 06:29:57

I donno, me thinks I rather be fine tuning a monhull and plotting the fastest way around the course.

Yes, have also done the 180° thing on Sunfish - but why is it they don't release the main sheet to try to prevent capsizing? I must be missing something here!

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Response Posted - 10/25/2011 : 06:49:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 ...but why is it they don't release the main sheet to try to prevent capsizing? I must be missing something here!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">It's not a sail--it's like an airplane wing with flaps--probably not controlled entirely by a single line and a cam cleat. And part of the problem could be the sheer momentum of that huge mast, wing, and even the framework (with no ballast) as gravity swings the boat up rapidly.

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Response Posted - 10/25/2011 : 10:14:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 ...but why is it they don't release the main sheet to try to prevent capsizing? I must be missing something here!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">It's not a sail--it's like an airplane wing with flaps--probably not controlled entirely by a single line and a cam cleat. And part of the problem could be the sheer momentum of that huge mast, wing, and even the framework (with no ballast) as gravity swings the boat up rapidly.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">You see, even less like sailing! No control over sail shape? How absurd! These snotnosed kids today! I tell ya it's all going to hell!

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Response Posted - 10/25/2011 : 10:41:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 You see, even less like sailing! No control over sail shape? How absurd! These snotnosed kids today! I tell ya it's all going to hell!

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Absolutely. Although the wings are articulated on a vertical access, like the flap on an airplane wing, for a degree of shape control. The wing on the BMW/Oracle tri in the last AC had an amazing array of computer-based sensors and shape controls. The big soft-sail cat was blown away. Pretty soon it'll be Oracle against Watson.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2011 : 01:09:52

Now I love my full keel even more

Btw, check you that guy at the end as he drops through the mainsail. Another million for new mainsail is gone.

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