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unfsailingclub
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Initially Posted - 10/17/2011 : 22:43:02

Hello everyone,

We are a club at the University of North Florida that provides the opportunity to get college students out on the water.

We currently own a C25 which unfortunately is missing its swing keel. It would be great to get some feedback in the issue.

1. Where can we acquire a swing keel?
2. What is an estimated cost of a replacement?

We are truly grateful for any information we can get so we can get the sails up and students up and down the river soon. Thank you!

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 10/18/2011 : 04:14:21

I would replace the keel with a wing keel. I think they cost about 1700.00 though. Try calling Catalina Yachts directly.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 10/18/2011 : 06:53:12

I hate to say it, but for the cost of obtaniing/installing, you may be able to get a decent boat together using the parts off the boat you already have and buying a cheapy. If I were you I would be looking for a boat missing a mast, then using the rigging off the boat you already have to put it back together.

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 10/18/2011 : 07:17:21

Not to disagree with either of the above, we have owners of a couple of damaged swingers here whose insurance companies might be disposing of the boats in whole or in parts...

http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23950

and

http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24029

Be aware that this is not a "centerboard"--it is 1500 lbs. of cast iron--not a simple thing to ship or install. The wing keel retrofit is ideal, but expensive. The swing keel requires periodic maintenance on the lifting system--in fact, I'm wondering why yours "went missing" and what other damage might have accompanied its departure...

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pfduffy
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Response Posted - 10/18/2011 : 08:07:15

Yeah - there is a really good story that this boat wants to tell.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 10/18/2011 : 10:31:20

What Dave said. I'd want somebody with a lot fo structural knowledge to look at where the keel used to be. The reason is that it is very likely that the keel was lost due to some catastrophic failure of the mechanism that suspends the keel while raised. 1500 pounds of cast iron suddenly dropping wreaks havoc on fiberglass.

How did you come to get a boat without the keel? I hope it wasn't somebody that simply used your club as a way to dispose of a hull that he couldn't get rid of.

You should be able to find a C25 with an intact keel in the $5-7,000 neighborhood. You might even be able to convince someone to take a tax deduction by donating a portion of the cost.

Edited by - John Russell on 10/18/2011 10:36:31

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 10/18/2011 : 13:46:06

Since Catalina Yachts has moved to Florida, maybe Frank Butler would be willing to help out at minimal cost to support college-level sailing. I recommend calling the factory and see if someone there would be willing to drive up and take a look at the boat, or recommend someone closer to you, and give you guys an assessment of whether it is worth it to fix the boat. The hull should also be surveyed for hidden problems that might call hull integrity into question.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 10/18/2011 : 14:00:22

If the organization uses the donation for at least 3 or 6 months (I forget which) instead of auctioning it, the donor can take the full book value instead of just the selling price. You should post a few pictures of the forward end off the keel slot in addition to to having somebody evaluate the hull. The only good scenario that comes to mind would be the pivot hole eroding through, and I have never heard of that happening.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/18/2011 : 15:10:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 ...I hope it wasn't somebody that simply used your club as a way to dispose of a hull that he couldn't get rid of...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I was thinking the same thing... If that's the scenario, I'll suggest you "return" the donation. It is likely worthless, and will cost you to dispose of it.

By the way, under absolutely no circumstances should you take anybody out on it without the keel. It could roll over on you in a heartbeat, even with no sails up. (Remember Texas A&M's tragedy?)

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/18/2011 15:14:28

JeanAndre
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Response Posted - 10/19/2011 : 10:00:34

Maybe Dubbincris who just parted a C25 here in the forum could be of some assistance,
to my understanding the hardest part of parting the boat was disposing of the keel.

Since you do not have a keel to deal with, maybe selling the boat in pieces is a good idea.

I also like Prospector´s approach. Take 2 and make a good one!!

Cheers

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 10/19/2011 : 11:20:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JeanAndre
 Maybe Dubbincris who just parted a C25 here in the forum could be of some assistance,
to my understanding the hardest part of parting the boat was disposing of the keel.

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I think cutting up the hull was what caused him grief. Disposing of the keel was pretty simple since he just dragged it to a scrap yard.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 10/19/2011 : 13:01:27

Tomas,

The question of liability for the school just occurred to me. I'm assuming, of course, that this is a sanctioned club on the campus and the real property of the club, i.e., the boat, is property of the university. If that's the case, I'm pretty sure that the University's insurance company would have a great deal to say about all this. I'm sure they would insist on a marine survey before insuring the vessel. That will determine the seaworthiness of the vessel as well as let you know what maintenance issues are required and which are just nice to have done. The surveyor will provide you with a prioritized list.

Talk with whomever is responsible for liability issues before you spend another dime on this boat.

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