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jhinton
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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 13:01:07

I've been watching this thread closely as I'm afraid our rudder is nearing the end of its life... Any idea as to timelines when the rudders will be ready for production?

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 13:19:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 Nauti - you don't have to. If yours is the balanced rudder you are our guy...

See if you can ship yours to them and have it be the prototype, you get a free rudder out of teh deal - but you may be out a rudder for a while.
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If nauti is unable to part with his rudder I can, I have two rudders currently. Mine is a 1979 and has the slpit starting. How do I tell if it is balanced?

Ah I see he has sent his. Be awesome to see how this turns out. nauti, need to borrow a rudder?

Edited by - PCP777 on 04/05/2011 13:30:57

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 13:32:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jhinton
 I've been watching this thread closely as I'm afraid our rudder is nearing the end of its life... Any idea as to timelines when the rudders will be ready for production?
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Don said it would take a week or two for him to make a new mold off mine. My rudder was shipped last tuesday and got there friday. I'll definately keep you all posted if I hear anything about the progress. I'm just as, if not more anxious.

Thanks for the offer Peter. It's definately tempting, but I don't think I can make it back to my boat anytime soon anyways.

The balanced rudder was apparently standard in the ~88+ models.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 04/05/2011 13:35:23

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 14:19:26

My rudder has developed a shake to it. Might try out the other rudder soon, bought it from a guy here in the swap meet. Got a rudder, two anchors, a fullyy battened mansail and a tiller for $200.

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 15:22:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NautiC25
 Don said it would take a week or two for him to make a new mold off mine.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Great to hear, thank you!

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 17:54:14

My rudder had a shake/shimmy in it last year but I haven't noticed it this year. I think it was caused by a little bit of asymmetrical algae buildup on the lower end of the rudder. It probably fell off during the winter months.

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 18:49:14

I built a balanced rudder from the prints available here online. It made a huge improvement in the handling over the original rudder. Mine gets a little shimmy when the keel is all the way up but goes away when down. I am so far blaming the craggy surface of the keel (hope to remove and fair it this fall).
Wes

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Response Posted - 04/11/2011 : 10:03:54

Any updates Nauti? Don? (Watching closely)

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 04/11/2011 : 10:16:07

Not yet. It's only been in his hand for exactly one week now. I just sent an email, so I'll come back here with any response.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 04/11/2011 10:17:04

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Response Posted - 04/11/2011 : 11:03:00

Wow, already a response:

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">We have primed the rudder and it is being sanded and made (fair).

Don
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Edited by - NautiC25 on 04/11/2011 11:03:30

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Response Posted - 04/12/2011 : 09:43:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 My rudder had a shake/shimmy in it last year but I haven't noticed it this year. I think it was caused by a little bit of asymmetrical algae buildup on the lower end of the rudder. It probably fell off during the winter months.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Gary,

I have had always had a slight shimmy in the rudder for close to 35 years on Confetti, even with a totally new bottom job. For me, I think I only feel it when the boat is not making any leeway at all (i/e/ like under power or on a dead run, etc.), so for me I think its simply turbulence coming aft off the fin keel.

Chuck

Edited by - cshaw on 04/12/2011 09:44:33

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Response Posted - 04/24/2011 : 19:03:35

Got an update from Don:

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The attached photo is of the first side of the mold in process. We are starting the second side this week.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 04/24/2011 19:05:37

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Response Posted - 04/26/2011 : 06:37:40

Cool!

Go Don, Go!!

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Response Posted - 04/27/2011 : 09:30:21

Any idea on the final cost for the rudder? I need a new one before the season starts and I'd love to save a few bucks....Please post once you find out....

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Response Posted - 04/27/2011 : 13:15:40

Don said that he'd come over here once it's ready for distribution and provide us with more details on the fabrication and pricing.
I'll definately remind him though.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 04/27/2011 16:57:54

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Response Posted - 05/01/2011 : 13:07:49

I may be interested in replacing my '89 rudder as well. I would want to get exactly the same...and so would be interested in what the specific fabrication consists of andf how if any it differs from my original rudder. My thought is that my original rudder is 22 years old and seems right now to be functioning fine. If a replacement can provide same expected service, then I'm interested.

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Response Posted - 05/05/2011 : 10:16:57

Don says the rudder is finished!!! He's putting on the hardware and is looking into the sleeve for the tiller bolt. He mentioned using a stainless sleeve. I told him it was a 3/8" bolt. Can anyone verify that?

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Response Posted - 05/09/2011 : 19:41:12

Woohoo!!!

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Your new rudder leaves tomorrow. The Fed Ex tracking number is ###. If you want to use a marine seal under the hardware I would:
1. Remove the hardware.
2. Apply sealing material to the bolts and pintal brackets.
3. Reinstall the hardware but do not tighten the bolts.
4. Install the rudder on the boat.
5. Tighten the bolts on the pintal brackets.

In this manner the pintals should align themselves in the gudegons before you tighten the bolts.

Let me know how everything works out.

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I'm not quite sure what he means by doing this? Is the rudder not sealed where the bolts penetrate, so they need sealant? If no one knows, I'll give him a call about it when I get the rudder back for more details. OMG, I can't wait! lol I'm going through sailing withdrawls bad.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 05/09/2011 19:55:02

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Response Posted - 05/09/2011 : 20:20:52

Wow ! Looking at the new rudder in the shipping crate....looks great ! In regards to sealing, removing/re-installing the hardware and then installing the rudder on the boat. It must be past my bedtime because I am starting to dream already ! How about just hang the new rudder in an adjacent slip and see if you can clone a new boat (sort of like Woody Allen trying to clone the president from just his nose). Like I said...time for me to hit the sack.

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Response Posted - 05/10/2011 : 05:58:29

The location of teh pintals and gudgeons will vary from boat to boat, so what he is suggesting is that you wait to tighten the bolts until everything is lined up just so. At least that is how I read it. I am not sure if I would even want the holes drilled for the pintal bolts since my PO relocated teh gudgeons in a refit.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 05/10/2011 : 06:17:58

That's sorta what I was thinking, however he has my original rudder and is using the original hardware, so he should be able to install them in the same location.
Hopefully he'll hop over here with more info and pricing when he gets it.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 05/10/2011 06:19:05

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Response Posted - 05/11/2011 : 08:07:43

pricing pricing pricing......Cant wait to see the numbers..... :)

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Response Posted - 05/11/2011 : 08:29:35

I would think that to ensure the holes are drilled accurately, perhaps a prospective purchaser would supply a paper template taken off of his existing rudder and hole locations, etc referenced info could be provided before fabrication.

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Response Posted - 05/11/2011 : 08:33:31

Sounds like a good idea, however i think I would still rather drill them myself. Better to be mad at me than at someone else....

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