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steve25
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Initially Posted - 02/13/2011 : 07:40:45

I plan on replacing my main halyard and jib sheet lines. Any suggestions on the best type (and economical) lines for the job?

Ordinarily I would just read up a bit and guess, but I’m sure I’ll be better off by asking this forum.

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1986 C-25 SR/FK #5427

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steve25
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Response Posted - 02/13/2011 : 07:44:57

Also, any tricks to replacing the Halyard? I planned on "sewing" the new line to the end of the old, perhaps putting on some tape, and pulling it through.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/13/2011 : 10:04:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by steve25
 Also, any tricks to replacing the Halyard? I planned on "sewing" the new line to the end of the old, perhaps putting on some tape, and pulling it through.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That's the way I do it. I use sailmaker's thread, rather than household sewing thread, to make sure it doesn't break. I would avoid using tape, because it makes the joint stiff, and the line doesn't want to bend easily around the sheaves, and a heavily taped joint might be too fat to fit through the space.

Unless you plan to race, 3/8" Sta Set is widely recommended for general purposes.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 02/13/2011 : 10:56:14

I was going to go with Stayset X, but Vectran double braid was on sale at the time for less, so I went with 1/4" and 5/16" (6mm & 8mm). It doesn't creep, has 1/3 the stretch, bends well, and is light. but it's pretty pricey when not on sale. I use Stayset for sheets, but it is often used for halyards. 1.5% stretch @ 500 pounds with Stayset is about 6" when the sail is hoisted, so it's not a big deal for non-racers but it can affect weatherhelm and the ride.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/13/2011 : 14:13:10

For sheets, I like 3/8" single-braid like Regatta. It is nice on the hands, coils very easily, and doesn't tend to "hockle"--form knot-like loops from twisting. Stretch is more of an issue with halyards, suggesting a low-stretch double-braid like Sta-Set or Sta-Set X. My choice was 5/16" for halyards. My jib halyard tensioned the roller furler, so I chose Krypton Spectra-core, which I got from Catalina Direct when I bought the components to lead lines to the cockpit. Under substantial tension--like a guitar string--it didn't stretch half an inch over the whole season. I wouldn't expect that performance from Sta-Set X.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 02/13/2011 : 17:17:37

I keep thinking about Regatta. Stayset is a little hard on the hands for the first couple of years.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 02/13/2011 : 19:23:16

cajun ropes has made several sets of lines for me. Very reasonable and well made.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/14/2011 : 14:12:01

Glad to read someone has good experience with Cajun. I've been looking at their website and they do look interesting.
Okay, back to the thread - when I changed out from wire/rope to all rope halyards summer 2008, I selected 5/16" Sta-SetX, purchased on Ebay from Milkaukee Rigging. I ordered each halyard 78 ft. long, and they were about $85 each (long enough to be lead back to the cockpit.) Incidentally, 72 feet will be fine for the main halyard. I've had excellent dealings with M.R., nice folks! One thing about Sta-SetX, though, it is very low stretch, a good thing, but it is also a fairly stiff line. It still looks like new, but is also still somewhat stiff.
I would like to be able to compare it to the XLE line from Cajun.

For jib/genoa sheets, 3/8" is a good size all-purpose line. Sta-set will be fine, but I have become partial to the single braid lines, especially BZZZ line. FSE Robline is also good. If you plan to buy a separate set for your working jib, I suggest stepping up to 7/16" line, because most of the time you are going to fly the jib will be in heavier air.
The jib on our boat came with its own sheets and I like it that way.

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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 02/14/2011 : 15:36:33

Glad to see the choices as I need to replace some of mine as well.
To replace the halyard with the mast up you might try a "messenger" line instead of tying one halyard to the other.
Tie a thin (1/8th inch) line to the old halyard and pull it through then tie that "messenger" line to the new halyard.
Obviously the knot is important or you will be doing some climbing but it eliminates the binding through the sheave and any sewing.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 02/14/2011 : 17:10:19

I went with Sampson XLS Extra T for the Jib Halyard...and I don't even use the line since I have a furling rig. But decided to replace the existing halyard since it was pretty old. The main halyard, my experience has been that the old line would stretch and the sail would go slack soon after starting to sail. I wanted a very low stretch line and so I went with Sampson Warpspeed. I bought the lines from Defender. While I went this route, I am sure the Sta-SetX line is probably superior to the original halyards that were furnished with the boat.

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