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Navy1
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Initially Posted - 07/28/2010 : 15:32:12

When Navy Too is sitting still she has a pronounced list to starboard, even though I have put about 160 lbs of extra ballast on the port side of the fresh water tank compartment. I don't have anything unusual on the starboard, just the galley and outboard. Any ideas? Also, my propane tank compartment in the cockpit keeps filling with rain water, and I do mean Filling. Why doesn't the drains carry the water away, the way they are supposed to? Roger

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/28/2010 : 19:51:50

The drains are lines out of the smaller locker that the propane bottle sits in. They're there to vent the propane should the bottle leak. The larger locker should be water tight and not getting any water. Check the rubber gaskets and insure that they are seated correctly. I have a problem with dirt, etc., accumulating around the edges of the locker so it sometimes doesn't shed as well but, I've never had water in the locker.

As to the list, do you have a full cooler in the galley? With water in the propane locker, I'd take a look under the aft berth to see if maybe there's water there as well. It should drain to the bilge from there but, I'd look. I assume you battery(ies) are centered in the aft section? What kind of motor is on the stern? Have you added ballast in the bow and has it shifted? Pardon the obvious question but, I assume it is listing when you're not aboard and you notice it at the dock?

Which version do you have? Water ballast or Wing Keel? A partially filled water ballast tank could explain the problem. It could also be very dangerous while underway.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 07/28/2010 : 21:38:17

As John noted the drains in the propane locker are for any leaked propane to escape. The locker lid fits into a formed channel that drains any rain or water away but that formed channel slopes down to port. So if you have a starboard lean the water wont drain and could seep into the locker.

According to the members list your boat is a water ballast. I'd suggest focusing on the ballast tank to find the cause of the lean. Maybe the tank isn't full.

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Response Posted - 07/29/2010 : 07:29:13

There's a lot of weight on starboard compared to what's on the port side of the boat. Consider the weight of the outboard (100 plus pounds), fuel tank which may favor the starboard in terms of weight, the galley, propane storage....With the extra ballast placed on the port side you should only have a slight list which is exactly what I have (not personally, mind you). You might try moving the add on ballast back towards the stern (under the salon seat) a bit to see if that doesn't help the list.

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Response Posted - 07/29/2010 : 09:16:23

Well, sounds like I may have more of a problem than I thought. I am 150 miles from the boat now, but am taking it Sat. to the Apostle Islands for a week. Anyhow, I never thought of the starboard list not letting the rainwater drain right. I assumed the ballast tank was full of water before I shut the valve. How do you know? Usually don't have any cooler or gear aboard when it is listing heavy. A week ago when I had it in the water there was wet under the aft bunk and I wondered where that came from. Never did find out. I have two batteries centered in the aft battery compt. My motor is a 9.9 Honda on a S.S motor extension. I also was having trouble getting all the water mopped up, both in and out of the water, from underneath the teak sole, and couldn't figure that out either. Roger

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Response Posted - 07/29/2010 : 10:28:06

Could your ballast tank be leaking into the boat ?

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Response Posted - 07/29/2010 : 11:49:19

Roger, it does sound like your problem may be much bigger than first thought. There was a thread some time ago about leaking ballast tanks. I don't think I'd be considering any extended trips until it's resolved.

SuperBob, The point of adding the ballast in the 250 is that it tends to squat at the stern with the bow riding higher than is desirable. Hence the ballast under the v-berth. Moving it aft may just complicate the problem.

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Response Posted - 07/29/2010 : 12:14:20

I'd first check to simply see if the ballast tank is full, the WB guys can explain how best to do this. Assuming it's properly full, then I'd take a look in the bilge(s) to make sure they're dry. It sounds like this isn't the case, so then I'd check to see if the water was salt (assuming you sail in salt water), or fresh. If it's salt, you have a leak in your boat somewhere (cracked ballast tank, through hull leak, insert other worrisome thing here), if it's fresh, it's likely to be rain water intrusion. There are plenty of threads on each of these issues along with photos and instructions for locating, identifying and fixing the problems.

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Response Posted - 07/29/2010 : 12:58:22

Rodger,Take the vent plug out in the forward part of the anchor locker, go down below and open the fill valve. Normally you can hear the water rushing in. In your case I would just leave the valve open for 5-10 minutes and close everything off. Normally the boat will settle a couple of inches along the water line. Can You get the boat to heel to port?

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Response Posted - 08/11/2010 : 11:27:43

Bear, I did that and made sure the ballast tank was full. Last week sailed "Navy Too" at Apostle Islands on lake Superior and had no problems. And did some heavy sailing too, heeling 32 degrees and putting the rails in the water. Although on the way North when I picked up another sailer we found a lot of mold in the aft berth underneath the mattress. It was very wet under there. Since my wife and I never use the aft berth, we just use it for storage. Should have pulled the mattress and checked a long time ago. Maybe I'll just leave the mattresses out from now on, because the vinyl bottom just holds moisture and won't let it dry out. I checked the battery compartment and there was no leaks there either. So at this point I'm just not going to worry about it any more. I've hauled the boat for the season because my wife and I want to do some camping with our travel trailer before winter. Thanks to everybody for all the advice and help. Roger

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Response Posted - 08/11/2010 : 17:46:34

Rodger we don't use the aft bunk area any more either. I removed the mattress's and laid down a couple of the blankets movers use [Harbour Freight} and only have two totes and a spare rudder back there. You must have been standing while on the opposite settee's with 32 degrees of heel. I get nervous with 20 degrees of heel.
Wayne Brown [Bear]

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Response Posted - 08/12/2010 : 11:59:36

Not sure this is relevant any more, but sonce the OP asks about list to starboard I thought I'd mention that some C250s have the freshwater tank centered toward the bow (like mine) and some have it under the starboard settee (pasailor's among others). The latter configuration, along with motor, LP tank, and full cooler could really cause a starboard list.

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Response Posted - 08/16/2010 : 18:35:41

Rick, My fresh water tank is centered in the v-berth storage, so that did not contribute to the problem. I have the problem pretty well licked now. Thanks anyhow. And yes, Bear, I was practically standing up in the cockpit at 32 degrees. At least it showed me how far I can push my C250WB. I have a lot more confidence in the boat now. Bring on the wing keels, I'll hang in there with you.

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Response Posted - 09/06/2010 : 22:39:38

This is video of a crew trying to capsize their Hunter 23.5 unsuccessfully. Like the 250, this boat comes with either a WB or WK configuration. I couldn't help but think when I saw this viedo that they were demonstrating the WB ability to avoid capsize.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w00suzaDh_A

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