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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 12/22/2009 : 20:18:14

I think you still have to put them on a photo site ore your page and drag the links ti your message. Read the "First things first" and "Testing" forums. We will all be looking forward to the posting.

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 12/22/2009 : 21:28:07

Congratulations so far, Patrick. That was a cold trip!

I've gotten a little better speed motoring with the keel up, too, but that doesn't change my advice to leave it down as much as possible.

You can get pretty much anything you need for your boat from Catalina Direct. Great folks: a couple of times they've called me after I placed an order because I had forgotten to order another component of the repair.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/23/2009 : 10:00:11

Our experiments were under sail. We sailed two C25s side-by-side, downwind, on an inland lake (reservoir) with no appreciable current, at the same speed, in the same wind, with the same sail configuration, and we alternately cranked the swing keel up and down, and watched to see if there was a change in the speed of the swinger, but found no difference in speed. Regardless of whether the keel was up or down, neither boat changed it's speed in relation to the other.

I realize others have had different experiences, and can't account for that, but we believed our experiments under sail were fairly reliable. We didn't experiment at all with the boats under power, but it's possible that, under certain circumstances, when operating under power, raising the keel might orient the boat a little differently (bow up or bow down), giving it a little extra kick or a little better efficiency.

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NCBrew
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Response Posted - 12/23/2009 : 16:49:49

My test was in no way valid for accurate testing. First the tide was running in part of the time and then we were out of the wind part of the time.

When we were in the Dismal Swamp canal the water was running against us and we were making 5 MPH and when we past the feeder ditch of Lake Drummond the water ran the other way and we were making 6 MPH. I had the keel up all of that time. I was trying to make Elizabeth City before dark because the running lights were connected to the on-board battery which was almost dead and the battery connected to the motor was not connected to that battery. I have a lot of electrical re-wiring to do.

I plan a website with pictures and commentary as soon as I can get to it.

Remember, even if it is 28 degrees out, when motoring into the sun you need sunscreen. My face got a little burned.

I will be hauling Day Dream out in the next couple of days. I ordered the swing keel cable repair kit from CD.

NCBrew

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/23/2009 : 18:07:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NCBrew
 Remember, even if it is 28 degrees out, when motoring into the sun you need sunscreen. My face got a little burned.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">My face got a little burned as I was walking around in the 20-35 mph winds and 18-22 deg. temps today--it had nothing to do with sun. You're a tougher man than I! (Must be the thrill of the new boat.)

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OJ
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Response Posted - 12/24/2009 : 13:11:23

Patrick,

Sounds like you are making good headway.

I know I speak for most of the forum when I say we would love to see pix of your restoration project! I think you've already discovered the wealth of knowledge resides here!

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NCBrew
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Response Posted - 12/24/2009 : 19:30:31

I am working on making a blog of the trip with pictures but I am not a wiz with IWEB.

I do have my own web space to post it to as soon as I get finished.

Patrick

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skrenz
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Response Posted - 12/29/2009 : 11:11:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
I checked with the Elizabeth City shipyard and they charge $8.00 per foot to haul the boat. Then $75.00 to block it up so I can work on it. I am going to order a new cable and fittings.

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If you are going to pull the boat to work on the swing keel, might I suggest that while you have her up on blocks you look into sand blasting the iron swing keel and coating it with epoxy. If you look back a couple of months you will find a long discussion topic that I posted on refinishing my iron swing keel. I concluded that you only want to do this if you have access to the kind of shipyard haul and block facilities that you are describing. In any case, while she is out of the water, make sure to at least check the keel pivot parts. Although these will not cause a catastrophic failure like the keel cable breaking when the keel is up, the pivot is an important part to keep maintained on these swing keels. Yes, Catalina Direct sells all the necessary parts and yes, there is lots of info on this site on checking these parts.
The thing about coating the keel at the same time is that if it has not been done, most likely in saltwater you will need to do it sooner or later. So why not do all the keel stuff at the same time: sand blast and coat the keel in epoxy, replace and rejuvenate the pivot parts and replace the keel cable. Then you will not need to mess with this stuff again.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 12/29/2009 : 14:00:25

CD has it, and allow PLENTY of time to do the windows..there are a few threads covering that topic.

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NCBrew
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Response Posted - 12/29/2009 : 18:08:05

I am definitely going to replace all of the swing keel parts that are in the kit I purchased from CD. I will also grind it down and paint it. I don't want to do this again any time soon.

Patrick

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/29/2009 : 19:29:57

There have been many discussions on preventing corrosion on the swing and early (cast iron) fin keels... I recall [url="http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=234"]Leon Sisson[/url] did a lot of work on his--you could use Search to find his posts on that, or e-mail him through his profile (linked to above). Leon is perhaps our foremost master at restoring and preserving a C-25, and has an older swinger that might be the most sound of all the C-25s on the water.

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