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panhead1948
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Initially Posted - 10/29/2009 : 14:11:27

has anyone ever installed a line adjustable genoa car system

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 10/30/2009 : 08:41:02

If you think it is hard to walk on the side decks now... just wait!
What year is your boat?

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 10/30/2009 : 09:51:47

Interesting idea! I never thought about it, and never saw it on a boat, but it would certainly make the genoa cars easier to adjust under load. Except in very strong winds, it isn't too difficult for crew to adjust the factory stock genoa cars under load on a C25, but an adjustment system would make it easier when shorthanded, and in very strong winds, and that, of course, is exactly when it would be most needed.

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Response Posted - 10/30/2009 : 10:10:36

Interesting idea, but my first reaction was the same as Frank's... Another consideration is they would not be able to lock in place--they'd be held by the lines as a traveler is. Would that suggest multi-part purchase--at least on the aft lines? That'd be even more stuff on those skinny side-decks...

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Response Posted - 10/30/2009 : 13:19:56

I've raced on boats that have them. In my view, the skippers on these boats did not use them, and did not adjust the genoa car enough. You can and should be adjusting just as much as a traveller. They go forward on a reach for example.

In my view, they are not necessary on a C25. I just adjust the lazy car, then move the working car after the next tack or gybe.

A big expense on a C25 for a seldom used racing mod. Money can probably be best spent elsewhere.

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panhead1948
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Response Posted - 10/31/2009 : 10:32:16

I have a 84 SK SR. I thought of putting a single block on the genoa car. Then a block and becket on a genoa track slide. A camcleat mounted on the stanchion could control it. This is just a thought for a winter project.

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Response Posted - 10/31/2009 : 13:47:16

We're not passing judgement on the project you are contemplating, but this genoa car configuration would normally be found on a much larger racing yacht. My free (and unsolicited) advice might be to consider other hardware projects that would provide more utility. Have you ever perused the appendix of the Harken catalog? They have some great ideas and examples. One of the first things I'm going to do on the boat I just acquired is install an internal outhaul. This will be the third internal outhaul I've installed. BBFYB (Bigger Bang For Your Buck) in my opinion.
Whatever winter project you pursue - please share some pix as we all love to see what others have done to improve their boats!

Good luck!

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Response Posted - 11/01/2009 : 10:33:32

I began adding stuff to my boat to first, make it competative in our local club races, and second, as I became more a single hander/cruiser, to make it easier to sail safely by myself. My last equipment addition will be a reconfigured main sheet traveler - mounted at the cabin hatchway. After that I'm either going to rest my wallet for a few years or work on the boat itself....projects I've been mulling over for a few years like: transverse sleeping arrangment under the cockpit rather than fore and aft; eliminating the sink in the head and adding a wet locker for foulies etc; a bow sprit/anchor roller for my assym and anchor; an electrical outlet in the bow - possibly accessed via the anchor locker; and the list goes on.

Your idea was on my list but I consider the weather decks a safety item on the boat and decided they would be a hazard for walking if I added the hardware and attendant lines.

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panhead1948
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Response Posted - 11/01/2009 : 12:17:11

Thanks for all the input. I don't plan on adding new tracks so I won't be cluttering the weather deck. I plan to use the existing genoa cars and track. I have had my main recut to a loose footed main and changed the outhaul. I have been a member of the Sports Club of America for over 30 years. I get my speed fix working pit lane and competing in Solo II competition. I sail to relax. I figure is I can move the genoa cars easier then I will move them more often and get the most out of my boat. If I can design my own system and not give alot of money to Harken that even better. If I try this project I let everyone know how it worked.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2009 : 09:41:13

I've looked into this also. The natural choice would be harken or garhauer. The problem I ran into, if you try to design your own system, is that you need two components to make this work right: the jib car needs to have a way to attach either a line or a block to, pulling it down the track, and have a loose pin; and you need another block or blocks on the track (adjustable but more expensive) or on the deck to turn the line from the car back towards the cockpit. Harken, parts 1998 and B1877, sell for $350 per side. Garhauer sells the whole setup and more robustly rigged for $250 per side.

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panhead1948
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Response Posted - 11/03/2009 : 20:22:05

Well I was looking at my present genoa car and if I removed the spring loaded pin I could maybe fasten a single block to it. A track slide is less then 20.00 If I attach a block and becket to the slide then we have a three to one purchase and all I have to do is anchor the line with a camcleat. Not sure it will work but I think its worth a try. Harken micro block and 1/4" line sould do the trick

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