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Prospector
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Initially Posted - 09/11/2009 : 12:04:10

The tension is too much.

Right now Iris is in first place overall for the Lake's Championship series:

1st: Iris - 24 Points
2nd: Icarus - 41 Points
3rd: I am Canadian - 51 Points
3rd: Second Wind - 51 Points
4th: Newfie Screach - 53 Points
5th: Lake Effect - 63 Points

However, the rules for the series say that you can discard the 4 worst races you have on the season. This puts us in 2nd place and makes our standing very shaky.

1st: Newfie Screach (Tanzer 22) - 5 Points
2nd: Iris (Catalina 25) - 8 Points
3rd: I am Canadian (O'Day Tempest) - 9 Points
4th: Second Wind (Hunter 28.5) - 10 Points
5th: Lake Effect (Hunter 28.5) - 13 Points
6th: Icarus (Beneteau First 22.5) - 15 Points

Since there are only 2 races left in the series, and our season has been very good, any finish worse than 3rd will count as a discard. In order for me to beat Newfie, I have to take first in both remaining races, and he has to take 3rd or worse in both.

"I am Canadian" has not had as successful of a season as us, so anything better than a 3rd will help his point tally.

Basically, the way things look from here, I have to get a first in every race for the rest of the season, Newfie has to get 3rd or worse, and we always have to beat Canadian.

This is way too stressful.

"Iris"
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Response Posted - 09/17/2009 : 09:47:09

53 points down to 5, and 4th place up to first?? Sounds like too many discards! What's your record against Newfie when you both finished?

Bigger fall winds and chop should give you an advantage over a little Tanzer. Anyway, great season!

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 09/17/2009 09:50:02

Prospector
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Response Posted - 09/17/2009 : 10:14:51

Top 5 Boats in the fleet:

R1: R2: R3: R4: R5: R6: R7: R8: R9: Points: Net: BOAT:
006 004 001 002 003 003 --- 003 002 000024 008 Iris Catalina 25
015 015 002 001 001 015 --- 001 003 000053 005 Newfie Tanzer 22
015 015 003 003 008 001 --- 002 004 000051 009 Canadian ODay Tempest
003 001 015 015 005 002 --- 004 006 000051 010 2ND Wind Hunter 285
001 003 015 015 004 015 --- 005 005 000063 013 Lake Effect Hunter 285

DNS=15 Points As of now

Edit to Add - Weather forecast just came out for the last regatta of the season 5-10 km/h winds (2.7-5.4 knots) of course this is still a few days off...

The trouble is not with the throwaways, its with the number of boats that only show up for one race, inflating the values of DNS/DNF Since Newfie missed 3 races, right now he has 45 points in DNS races. Since he can use those as throwaways, none of them count. To complete the series you have to finish 7 of the 11 races. That means boats with 3 or more DNS races are in a pretty precarius situation if any races are cancelled.

Edited by - Prospector on 09/17/2009 10:31:22

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Response Posted - 09/17/2009 : 13:57:34

Looks like head-to-head you're 2-3 against Newfie. If they cancel one race, he has to add a 3rd, tying you. If they canel both, he's toast.

Should we pray for dead-calm, rain, or what?

Oh the stress... Oh the agony...

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 09/17/2009 : 14:29:02

Rules for our series say no races are cancelled before the start. A race is only cancelled if no boats finish. That only happens if a race has a curfew, or if conditions are so bad that all skippers abandon the race.

Newfie is from (predictably) Newfoundland. He'll sail through ANYTHING. He is the one who managed to Turtle a boat - a keelboat no less - when he refused to abandon a race in high winds. He is also famous for finishing a race with so much water in the bilge that he couldn't drive anymore, just go above every few minutes to adjust course, and keep on bailing.

The guy is nuts - but he is a great sailor and hard to beat on the course.

Edited by - Prospector on 09/17/2009 14:31:59

PCP777
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Response Posted - 09/17/2009 : 15:10:16

Good luck to you. Drive fast and sail hard and try not to let the standings cloud your performance. we'll be rooting for you.

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Response Posted - 09/21/2009 : 06:33:27

Second Place overall - not bad for our dsecond year sailing!!

Race 1 - Newfie 1st, Iris 2nd, Canadian 3rd. Second Wind DNF
Race 2 - Newfie 1st, Candaian 2nd, Iris 3rd. Second Wind DNF

The winds were very light for both races, and we had to really fight to keep the boat moving. That worked to the advantage of th esmaller, lighter boats. When we managed to cover them though, those little guys totally died, but it cost us on PHRF. We did have one tacking duel with Canadian, and we did cover Newf for a lot of the reaching leg of race 2, but obviously we didn't work hard enough.

Still, I am VERY pleased with our results.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 09/21/2009 : 07:31:29

Not bad.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 09/21/2009 : 07:41:51

Thanks Peter. For Race 1 we had just over 20 white sail boats at the start, 12 in our division. It was a great party affterwards.

EDIT: here is proof positive that we can get ahead of both these guys - Iris in the lead followed by nefie (white hull) and Canadian (Navy Hull) rounding th edownwind mark. The mark is behind our hull. The blue Gennaker in the background is Icarus. At this point we were leading our class.

Edited by - Prospector on 09/21/2009 13:29:38

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Response Posted - 09/21/2009 : 12:29:29

Now there's 2 nice looking jibs!
Congrats Iris. Here's to your 1st place next year.

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Response Posted - 09/21/2009 : 12:53:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 Thanks Peter. For Race 1 we had just over 20 boats at the start, 12 in our division. It was a great party affterwards.

EDIT: here is proof positive that we can get ahead of both these guys - Iris in the lead followed by nefie (white hull) and Canadian (Navy Hull) rounding th edownwind mark. The mark is behind our hull. The blue Gennaker in the background is Icarus. At this point we were leading our class.

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Your sails look great, especially your head sail.

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Response Posted - 09/21/2009 : 13:23:15

Thanks guys, you have no idea how hard it was to keep them filled that day. My sails are from the PO so I can't take credit for them, but Newf's are new this year, and I CAN take credit for them. He told the loft he was buying them because we were pushing him too hard last year. Then I took ours in to the same loft (co-incidence) later in the off season to have them looked at and a few tweaks made. The owner of the loft asked right away, is this the Catalina 25 from Lake Simcoe? Then thanked me for bringing him business.

As for "I am Canadian", after race 2 he casually mentioned that he is looking for a boat that could keep up with ours...

I should be in sales.

Edited by - Prospector on 09/21/2009 13:23:57

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Response Posted - 09/21/2009 : 13:43:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 Thanks guys, you have no idea how hard it was to keep them filled that day. My sails are from the PO so I can't take credit for them, but Newf's are new this year, and I CAN take credit for them. He told the loft he was buying them because we were pushing him too hard last year. Then I took ours in to the same loft (co-incidence) later in the off season to have them looked at and a few tweaks made. The owner of the loft asked right away, is this the Catalina 25 from Lake Simcoe? Then thanked me for bringing him business.

As for "I am Canadian", after race 2 he casually mentioned that he is looking for a boat that could keep up with ours...

I should be in sales.
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Thank you for representing all of us C-25 owners. You make us proud!

In other news in the last two consecutive weeks, the two boats that I've crewed on, a C-27 and an S2 7.9 have both come in first. For a full play by play of last Wednesday's race, which was sailed in crazy weather conditions, check this out and scroll to the top.

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/general-discussion-sailing-related/47351-big-freakin-sails-151.html#post524657

I plan on racing my C-25 after I get a bottom job and a new 155. I probably need to replace my main as well. Other than that she's been rigged for racing by the PO, I have 8 winches, traveler over the cabin house, adjustable back stay, full spin set up etc.

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Response Posted - 09/21/2009 : 14:16:42

Cool Pics Peter.

I love going out in a blow too, but I find it much more rewarding to win in light air against smaller boats. You really have to bring your A-Game to win a race at 1.5 kts. In 15-20 kts, these little guys don't have the punch to break through the waves we can, but the big boats find their feet and start showing us up.

I think perfect wind for our boats is the 5-10kts band. Luckily this season there have been a lot of light air races that have really killed the bigger boats in our fleet. In th epic above you can see half a boat on th eside of the pic. That is a Pearson flyer, ULDB that rates 100 points lower than us on PHRF. He couldn't find his feet out there because the wind was just too light for him to get going. Give him a little more wind and he would totally pants us. In this case, I think its the skipper and not th eboat, since his sister ship took first in the spin fleet, but you get the point. Light air sailing is a real test of tactics and strategy and reading the wind.

Better than half the fleet had cigars or incense going to read the wind out there - basically there wasn't any, although at the moment that photo was taken we were moving quite nicely.

Edited by - Prospector on 09/21/2009 14:34:25

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Response Posted - 09/21/2009 : 15:37:28

Chris - you are sure correct about ours being a light air boat. I find that TSU is best at 5- 7 mph (not knots).
We held our Master's Regatta on Saturday (you have to have trophied in the last year to be invited). Winds were very light, varying from 1 to 6k and even shiftier than usual. Not only did we win our fleet but we beat a Sabre 362, a Ranger 28, a C-30, a Hunter 25.5, an O'day 27 over the finish line - and they all started 5 mins ahead of us.
Truly, our C25 is a great light air boat and when you rig for light air, good things tend to happen!

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Response Posted - 09/22/2009 : 11:36:47

You see this is why I need that light air 155. My biggest head sail is a 120 or 130, probably a 120. It's literally the next thing I'm going to get (A 155) so I can experience the light air performance you guys are talking about. Two Wednesdays ago we did have light air when I was on the C-27 and the intensity was just as high as we battled it out with a couple C-30's so I can totally understand where you guys are coming from. Anytime you're swapping the lead with other boats it's total fun.

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Response Posted - 10/21/2009 : 12:08:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 53 points down to 5, and 4th place up to first?? Sounds like too many discards! What's your record against Newfie when you both finished?

Bigger fall winds and chop should give you an advantage over a little Tanzer. Anyway, great season!
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Doesn't look as bad when you give the DNS/DNC guys the normally dictated "boats racing plus 1" or "boats in fleet plus 1". The top to bottom spread is only 12 pts. Either way 4 throw outs for 9 races scheduled/ 8 ran can make it anybody's regatta. Great if you're terrible, terrible if your great.

I think the average we have is 2 for every 10 to 15 raced, not scheduled. I think the most I've seen dropped is 4 for a 28 race series.

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Response Posted - 10/21/2009 : 13:07:42

Exciting Stuff! great pics! Makes ya want to race!

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