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John Pittman
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Initially Posted - 05/12/2009 : 22:37:11

I recently helped a friend launch his oday 25. Its is surprising how similar the oday is to my C-25.

The decks seems a little wider for going foreword and there is the counter and galley right below the companionway. I think the sail area is about the same.

Lake Tahoe was very quiet with little to a no wind as we motored to his buoy on the north shore, so after after a while we decided to raise the main. On the theory if you build it they will come, sure enough the wind came up. I would guess 5-10 knots or so.
according to his gps we were making 4.5-5 knots on the main alone.
Which make me wonder is this old oday faster than my 87 C-25 wing?
Or with similar vintage sails is it going to be a competition between the experience of the captains.
Any guesses?

johnnyp

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 05/13/2009 : 04:04:04

Multiple factors - condition of sails, skipper experience, wind conditions, local water experience, etc. My impression is that the C-25 should be a little bit faster. Is your 87 a std rig or TR? What keel does the Oday have? There is one Oday 25 driver in our club who does very well in our Wed. nite races, but those are pursuit start and I'm not too sure that the handicap times on the front end are all that accurate. If they are, then the C-25 should be faster because he starts before we do.
We have 2 Oday 25's on our Wed. nite race chart, one with shoal keel/centerboard and one with fixed keel. Their portsmouth ratings are 101.12 and 98.58, respectively. I have a 84 SK/TR and I've been assigned a portsmouth rating of 96.04. The C-22's have 96.30. We have one C250 rated at 101.02.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 05/13/2009 : 06:19:13

You can compare the national average PHRF ratings [url="http://www.ussailing.org/phrf/Tool_%20HI_LO_AVG%20Report%20Oct%2021%202008.pdf"]here[/url].

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John Pittman
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Response Posted - 05/13/2009 : 07:44:38

I have a STD rig.
My friends Oday is a shoal draft swing keel. His board is stuck however in the raised position.
My friend is a much more experienced sailor.
Perhaps upwind the board being up would help cancel out his greater experienced

His boat is also a little heaver I suspect as he carries a full load of water, I do try to keep extra weight as in unused gear on shore and my water tank is empty.
I am not very competitive though unless there is another boat on the lake going my way, of course they never know we are racing.
I keep thinking I should have a go at the local beer can races to become a better sailor.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 05/13/2009 : 18:02:53

I know nothing about the rating system. I assume that a boat with a higher rating say 228, is a slower boat than one with a lower rating say 195, thereby (at least in theory) equalizing the boats in a race?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/13/2009 : 18:16:51

Correct--the difference for two boats is the seconds per mile of race course that one must give the other.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 05/13/2009 : 18:28:52

So if I understand this correctly, if the difference in rating between two boats is 6 seconds and the race course is 10 miles long, the slower boat could cross the finish line a full 60 seconds after the faster boat and it would be considered a tie race, correct?

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 05/14/2009 : 10:50:09

"Check and a rog"

An old artillery phrase for you've "got it".

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 05/14/2009 : 11:12:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 So if I understand this correctly, if the difference in rating between two boats is 6 seconds and the race course is 10 miles long, the slower boat could cross the finish line a full 60 seconds after the faster boat and it would be considered a tie race, correct?
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And thats why I hate Tanzer 22's...

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 05/14/2009 : 12:47:03

...and that's why I prefer one-design racing.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 05/14/2009 : 13:41:54

What does Sarge PHRF Dave?

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 05/14/2009 : 18:46:52

Sarge is a committee boat which equals race God.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/15/2009 : 10:34:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 What does Sarge PHRF Dave?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I'll estimate about -350, and faster in light air... but remember I don't get to yell "Starboard!"

Edit: Actually, I think it's a bigger negative number since I can point a little higher than you guys.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 05/15/2009 12:36:38

GaryB
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Response Posted - 05/15/2009 : 17:23:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by aeckhart
 "Check and a rog"

An old artillery phrase for you've "got it".
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Roger, Roger You got the vector, Victor!

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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 05/22/2009 : 15:04:36

Experienced, but his keel is stuck in the UP position? Huh?

We sailed one in Victoria Harbor, BC many years ago, loaner for a day from a friend. Nice boats, but if IRCC, the galley takes up space under the stairs and I don't remember a quarterberth, but I could be wrong. Big space differences there. We daysailed, so only spent time in the cockpit on a very nice day.

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