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Blue Nose
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Initially Posted - 04/22/2009 :  08:13:30  Show Profile
I am thinking I want to run my main halyard to the cockpit so I can raise and lower the sail singlehanded from the cockpit. I have roller furling on the headsail so I beleive all I really need is to route the halyard to the cockpit. I have a tall rig without poptop. Does anyone have pictures and advice on how to lay this out on a similar boat? What will I need to do this? Does anyone advise against this?

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1986 C-25 FK Tall Rig
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/22/2009 :  08:15:49  Show Profile
Strongly FOR! Frank Hopper has great pix. It starts with a plate <i>under</i> your mast step... There you attach a swivel block. The halyard runs to a "deck organizer" (multiple cheek-blocks in one unit) and back along side the pop-top (oops--no pop-top! Make that the hatch...) to a rope clutch. I suggest starting out with the assumption you'll want to run some other things back eventually--your reefing lines, for instance. Choose hardware like the deck organizer and clutches with expansion in mind.
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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 04/22/2009 :  08:34:43  Show Profile  Visit Peregrine's Homepage
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Blue Nose</i>
<br />I am thinking I want to run my main halyard to the cockpit so I can raise and lower the sail singlehanded from the cockpit. I have roller furling on the headsail so I beleive all I really need is to route the halyard to the cockpit. I have a tall rig without poptop. Does anyone have pictures and advice on how to lay this out on a similar boat? What will I need to do this? Does anyone advise against this?

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<font face="Comic Sans MS"><font size="2"><font color="navy">Here is a tech tip in the Associations wed site "Tech Tips" on running [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.com/tech/tech25/tt008.asp"]"lines led aft".[/url]



The tech tip and photo show running up to three lines per side back to the cockpit.
IMO - I would do triple clutches and run the topping lift, reefing line and mainhalyard as a start. That way you can raise and lower the main also reef without leaving the cockpit.
Since drilling and installing the deck organzer and clutches (you could do cam cleats) is required why not do triples?

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 04/22/2009 :  10:04:43  Show Profile
There are multiple configurations at my pages. The photos are ok on the site but if you down load them you will find they are large and you can zoom in on them. The question is how many lines you want to lead back, I have lead as many as eight lines back on my '82 and as few as 4 on my '89. A halyard requires a winch, other lines do not. I have always had a winch on each side for symmetry but a single Lewmar 6 will get you by. The hardware changes on some of my photos because I like to try different things; look at all of them. Line size determines the clutch size, never buy a clutch where the line size you have is the minimum line size for the clutch, the tensions will cause slippage.

'82 photos
http://gallery.mac.com/fhopper#100041&bgcolor=black&view=grid

'89 photos
http://gallery.mac.com/fhopper#100045&bgcolor=black&view=grid
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John P
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Response Posted - 04/22/2009 :  11:38:46  Show Profile  Visit John P's Homepage
Strange, I must have assumed that mine was original from the factory! Oh well, I am glad I have it!
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pastmember
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Response Posted - 04/22/2009 :  11:59:23  Show Profile
Some boat do have halyards led back as a factory option, the last series all had them led back. If your winches match then they are factory, the Lewmar 7 was redesigned so if you add a seven today it will not match... and a six will do just fine anyway.
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Prospector
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Response Posted - 04/22/2009 :  12:21:28  Show Profile  Visit Prospector's Homepage
Part of my shopping when I bought Iris was checking for rope clutches laid out as above. Got'em, and I'm glad I do.

I'll try to find a pic that shows the layout.

[EDIT] Found the pics and posted them to the blog in my sig. Also my bad typing amazes me. Thanks everyone for your patience. [/EDIT]
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Bortiquai
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Response Posted - 04/22/2009 :  13:00:14  Show Profile
I have mine routed down the center of the mast, and out some exit holes I cut. Instead of using the mast plate, I fixed 44mm Halyard Blocks by Harken (Part number 1986) to lead them to a deck organizer, then inside the hand rail to a Spinlock Rope Clutch.
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pastmember
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Response Posted - 04/22/2009 :  18:19:07  Show Profile
A halyard plate does not require holes in the cored deck so I went with that.
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DaveR
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Response Posted - 04/23/2009 :  05:52:40  Show Profile  Visit DaveR's Homepage
Mine are internal, probably done from the factory,

and lead back to a winch on either side of the cabin top
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pastmember
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Response Posted - 04/23/2009 :  06:37:21  Show Profile
So were mine Dave, I consider the angle of the factory exit blocks to deck organizer to be a dangerous trip hazzard so as you can see in my photo I took the halyard from the exit block to the halyard plate turning block and then to the deck organizer.
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JohnP
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Response Posted - 04/23/2009 :  06:48:48  Show Profile
Mentioned above by Dave and Frank ("pastmember") is the mast plate. I have one that was installed by a PO, and I have indeed made us of it to add other lines and blocks to the mast step. Right now I have bought 2 new blocks to bring my reefing lines back to a big cam cleat on the cabin top.

The issue becomes how to drop your mast to get the plate underneath. There are many discussions of that on the Forum, too.

It's hard to see in the other photos, so here is what one of the mast plates looks like, from Catalina Direct. This is the one I have:
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BFTEagles
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Response Posted - 04/23/2009 :  07:09:04  Show Profile
Hey pastmember, what is that GREAT shop room you have? Is that a facility at your marina or what? Boat lifted to a great height, clean work area...I like it!
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pastmember
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Response Posted - 04/23/2009 :  09:01:10  Show Profile
Thanks for taking the time to look over the photos, I hope you found some ideas there. he photos of the '82 getting a barrier coat were at the only sailboat dealer for hundreds of miles, Action Sailcraft of Andover Kansas. They have since moved to a smaller shop. My workshop is found in other photos and is a nightmare.
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DaveR
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Response Posted - 04/23/2009 :  13:07:14  Show Profile  Visit DaveR's Homepage
Sorry Frank, I didn't look closely enough at your pic, and you're right, they probably are a trip hazard. Geez, put another mod on the list!
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