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John P
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Initially Posted - 03/20/2009 : 09:18:55

Hey all,

It's been a long time since I was 0n this site and things look good. It's been over 2 years since the boat was wet and I think that this summer will see some activity finally (was away for work in '07 and doing house mods for a new baby in '08).

I have been seriously trying to plant a bug in my girls ear to agree to the idea that we should look for a house on the lake to buy, rather than me renting a slip, but the lake front real estate market is still slow up here!

Now that I am back into the sailing mindset, I am reminded of that "to-do" list from when I put the boat away in '06!
-upgrade the electrical system
-Replace the original engine mount
-tune-up the original motor and see if it will pass muster.

I did quite a bit of reading on the 1st two items and was thinking of the motor just yesterday. The orig is a 9 hp Mariner and ran so-so the last time it was used. I also have an '85 Evinrude 8 hp, regular shaft, that saw a life on 12' tin boat that I am considering. Ireall reading that the standard shaft will work on our boats, as long as it is in mostly calm seas (Lake Champlain may qualify). Then again, if I replace the mount with a new model, mayber there is an option for a lower immersion point?

Anyway, long-winded again, hello to everyone and I am sure I will be back here regularly!

(time to renew the membership!)

'84, C-25, SR/FK, #4663, "ILLUSIONS", Chazy, NY (Lake Champlain)
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/illusions

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 03/20/2009 : 09:28:25

Welcome back John. I'm in the same boat....sic. I didn't launch my boat last year either. This year for sure though.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 03/20/2009 : 10:13:46

The old owner's manual mentions a standard shaft as not desirable but can be used; I think that all of us would agree that that is an advertising delusion. A long shaft will work adequately in normal conditions, but an XLS is really best. If the budget is tight, you might consider selling both motors and getting a 6 - 8 hp manual start Tohatsu with our link and discount through On Line Outboards (it will more than offset the cost of membership) for very little additional cash. I sold my 12 o 13 year old 9.9 XLS electric start in good condition for $920. Most of us have 9.9's, but that is because they are very popular and consequently in a selling price sweetspot for XLS and electric start. I have never approached full throttle with either of my 9.9's - the stern starts to squat by 3/4 throttle with no appreciable increase in speed. I recently read a summary on calculating required hp for displacement hulls, and it reinforced that observation by arriving at 6 - 6.5 hp for the bottom end.

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 03/20/2009 : 11:42:57

Welcome back.

Our log-ons are different by just "one space", so some folks will no doubt confuse John P with JohnP. I was unaware of your log-on at the time I chose mine, so that's why I didn't select something different.

Happy sailing again!

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 03/20/2009 : 12:07:03

Welcome back!

Doesn't Lake Champlain keep trying to be classified as the sixth Great Lake?

In any case, it's not that small! If by "regular shaft" you mean 15", I think the prop is going to be airborne quite a bit. Lowering the bracket for a 15" is a debatable solution--it'll put the powerhead pretty close to the water where a big wake might dunk it, and it'll make the engine harder to reach. Then, when you get the right engine, the bracket will be in the wrong place.

Around here, little used 2-strokes sell like crazy because they're lighter and simpler than anything on the market--I would think you could clear over a grand for the two of them, and then put that toward a nice 4-stroke Tohatsu 9.8 XLS. That's more than enough power, but on a "great" lake, more is better than not enough.

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John P
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Response Posted - 03/20/2009 : 16:10:44

that is pretty funny about Lake champlain, and yes it is a big lake. When I see it on a map, I forget how big it really is!

I think I will see what is avail in the area for a long shaft. Who knows, maybe the old motor is still good and just needs some TLC!

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 03/20/2009 : 17:04:43

It's hard to wear out an old 2 cycle. If you're not mechanical, $150 - $200 or so would probably put in in great shape unless the compression is gone. If you are mechanical, then there is nothing to it and maybe $20 - $30 and a day. The state has actually petitioned congress several times to get your lake classified as a "Great Lake" for the funding of projects and EPA rulings. It is a nice big lake, but not geologically related to the Great Lakes. No doubt a fine sailing venue.

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glivs
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Response Posted - 03/20/2009 : 21:54:14

We sail on LC - go for the XLS. I'm still tied to my 2-stroke LS and it cavitates quite readily in modest chop or if I go forward while single handed. Depending upon conditions, we limit our sailing to the Outer or Inner Mallets Bay or adventure out to the Broad Lake. As you know, the Broad Lake with its long fetch can get pretty wild at times.

Technically, LC was classified as a Great Lake for a few weeks a few years back in an effort to gain access to research funds as Dave5041 noted and then the decision was reversed. Hydrologically and biologically LC is part of the Great Lakes/St. Lawrence system, although on a surface area or volume basis LC is a drop in the bucket.

Don't forget that 2009 is the Lake Champlain Quadricentennial, i.e. the 400th anniversary of Samuel De Champlain's "discovery/renaming" of Lake Iroquois. Should be a particularly fun year to celebrate the settlement of Quebec and the Champlain Valley. Related to this, I've been reading/re-discovering a bit of history for this area and am quite amazed at the volume of traffic that occurred on the lake long before the revolution. One of my "plans" for the summer is to sail the routes of some of the earlier naval actions. First priority at the moment,however, is finding work.

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John P
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Response Posted - 03/21/2009 : 09:54:35

I had a dream once of taking my C25 up the Richelieu River and out to the St. Lawrence, then out to the Atlantic, but I doubt I will ever get there!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/21/2009 : 10:49:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by glivs
 Hydrologically and biologically LC is part of the Great Lakes/St. Lawrence system, although on a surface area or volume basis LC is a drop in the bucket.
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Interestingly, Lake Champlain has virtually the same surface area as Lake St Clair.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 03/21/2009 : 11:45:05

...but a whole lot more water!

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 03/21/2009 : 20:30:56

And probably less mud.

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John P
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Response Posted - 03/22/2009 : 08:25:54

Funny about the mud. The first time I took Illusions out for a sail, I ran aground. Something I was only used to doing in the Bahamas. I had the charts for the lake, the depthfinder was working all was well. I knew there was a small reef ahead, but according to my bearings, it should have been further away, then 12' 10' 8' 6' 4' uh-oh...

I had to hop in the water and walk the boat off the bottom. Thankfully there were no zebra muscles!

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/23/2009 : 22:01:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John P
 I knew there was a small reef ahead, but according to my bearings, it should have been further away, then 12' 10' 8' 6' 4' uh-oh...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...the beauty of a chartplotter!

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