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Steve Blackburn
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Initially Posted - 12/27/2008 : 19:21:33

Very seldom I come across such a dream vessel. Pretty awesome what $200K can bring you these days. What do you think?

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/Cheoy-Lee-Motorsailer-1994358/San-Diego/CA/United-States

Steve Blackburn, Calgary, AB
C250WB - 1999 - Hull 396

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 12/27/2008 19:22:20

jerlim
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Response Posted - 12/27/2008 : 20:45:20

I'm in - all I gotta do is sell the house...

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 12/27/2008 : 21:50:45

What do you suppose; $50k per year in cost of ownership?

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 12/27/2008 : 23:10:49

Frank. That's what I was thinking. For some reason it looks mighty expensive to upkeep. For some reason a classic 52 footer doesn`t look quite as expensive for the upkeep than this pilot house. My head tells me that all 52 footers should be pretty close as far as upkeep is concerned, after all its all the same equipment and docking fees right? Is it just that this boat just looks bigger than it realy is? Maybe RedViking could comment on the upkeep costs of such boats with his experience on living aboard his C&C 39?

So I had this genius of an idea of selling the house and buying such a boat. Since my company is located in Vancouver, I could live aboard with wife and 2 kids. Then I had a look at the selling prices of docks in Vancouver: http://www.lestwarog.com/1088marinaside/mls-906.html. So suddenly buying a slip is a little bit out of my budget, so I had a look at this to get some base pricing: http://www.vancouvermarina.com/mooragerates.asp I gather a 52 foot slip would cost me about $10K a year in Vancouver. In San Diego it would cost me $910/month + an estimated $400 for a liveaboard fee (4 people) $15,720. I'm sure I could find much less expensive.

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 12/27/2008 23:28:45

OLarryR
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Response Posted - 12/28/2008 : 09:03:06

Why not have an Association Boat ? If we have 100 Association Members paying $2000 each, we could buy this boat. Then we each get 2 days on it a year. Just have to figure out how to handle the maintenance and dock costs.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 12/28/2008 : 09:16:22

I will provide the dockage for a few extra days usage.

Edited by - Tom Potter on 12/28/2008 09:16:53

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/28/2008 : 10:38:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Blackburn
 V...dream vessel...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...if you're tired of sailing but still want to get there really slowly.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">all I gotta do is sell the house...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Why would you need a house?

"Sale Pending" Which of you pulled the trigger?

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 12/28/2008 10:44:55

redviking
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Response Posted - 12/28/2008 : 11:18:57

Quote:"My head tells me that all 52 footers should be pretty close as far as upkeep is concerned, after all its all the same equipment and docking fees right? Is it just that this boat just looks bigger than it realy is? Maybe RedViking could comment on the upkeep costs of such boats with his experience on living aboard his C&C 39?"

At the dock, a 52 footer is only going to cost you 13 feet more than my 39. The only other cost difference will be the 50 amp connection rather than a 30 amp connection. SO, if you never go anywhere it could be the bargain of a lifetime. Currently our dockage is $526 a month, this boat will cost you just over $700. We of course prefer to hang with the peeps in the anchorage when possible, but typically we have to pick up docks for a couple of months here and there. This boat is either burning fuel for electrical power or is at a dock. Electric stove

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Note the tankage: 1600 Gals. Twin 120 HP engines will burn a lot of fuel. So park it where you want it. Also, if you really wanted to SAIL this beautiful vessel, you will need a crew - Period! Be they paid with cash, ass or grass, you will need people to help you and your spouse move this boat.

Insurance: I'm guessing 3-6K a year just to get started. Depends on cruising area. SV Lysistrata's insurance is just over a grand a year down to Jacksonville FL and is over insured because of the value of her toys, i.e. massive electric winches, SSB, wind vane, wind gen, hydraulic autopilot, ground tackle, etc ad nauseum which could not be replaced if we were purchasing another 50K boat. The islands and Florida are only a few hundred bucks more.

Brightwork - 'Nuf said...

Engines - 4800 hours may indicate why she is a bit underpriced. Note: No pics of the engine room. That being said, as a motorsailor, she probably always ran even when under sail, and running is good for diesels. The vessel looks very well cared for, so who knows. Ditto for the heating/cooling system and the generator. A boat this big has a lot more systems than Lysistrata - more systems equals more bucks....

Note: No info on standing or running rigging. Refit? Sails? My guess is that you would drop 50K before going anywhere far with her. No mention of storm boards for those massive windows, or other safety gear like an EPIRB or a LifeRaft. Still a very reasonable price for such a beautiful boat.

The long and short of it is that a well equipped smaller vessel is harder to live on at a dock, but is way more cost effective in the long run if you are going somewhere with it. We've seen over night dockage at anywhere from a buck a foot to over 5 bucks a foot, this boat probably doesn't anchor out much. That adds up while cruising.

Maintenance: In the past year we dropped $1700 for an engine bracket repair, $600 for new batteries, a new Racor fuel filter for $275 installed, almost $500 for sail repair, $1,000 for hauling and bottom clean with new zincs and a cutlass bearing and an engine alignment. Some of those costs are expected to be annual, but I think we allocated $2500 a year for maintenance outside of major repairs.

We have burned way too much fuel

- probably our other major expense. We burn .6 an hour at 6 knots and have spent about $2,500 in the past year - granted covering thousands of miles some not under sail like on the ICW. Imagine what this puppy would have burned doing the same run.

That being said, I hereby offer the Association my services as Delivery Captain. I'm thinking Tahiti!

sten

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 12/29/2008 : 00:37:44

So how do you trim the sails on that thing? Looks like you have to step outside and do it. Now that I look at it, looks like wasted space for a cruising couple. Probably just good for the ego. Makes me think of these people living in 12 bedroom mansions just by themselves.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/29/2008 : 03:00:55

I see boats I'd be willing to retire onto a couple of times a month on Craigslist, unfortunately nearly all of them are monohulls, and Rita's pretty dead set against heeling, so they're not good candidates. This one strikes me as too much upkeep.

However, I volunteer to help Sten deliver to Tahiti, I'll even cook.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 12/29/2008 : 07:22:44

Posted by Dave B;
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> ...if you're tired of sailing but still want to get there really slowly. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Agreed. I want a boat I can sail, that feels like a sailboat.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/29/2008 : 09:18:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by delliottg
 ...I'll even cook.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Hmmm... working down in the galley in that big Pacific swell...

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 12/29/2008 : 10:01:38

Any sailboat with a washing machine is too much.

I have stepped aboard a marina neighbor's Nauticat 36, which they cruise from the Chesapeake down to the Caribbean and Belize.

This is a slide show of a [url="http://www.boatquest.com/Sail/Nauticat/Category/Length/61390/Feet/USD/1/boats_pictures.aspx"]Nauticat 36[/url] pilot house ketch.

Here are some pictures of a [url="http://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/32873/"]Nauticat 33[/url].

I liked the roomy pilot house and the large cockpit in the stern, the fore and aft cabins, the reasonable sized galley/dining area down in the center and the twin diesels. Pilot house sailboats are nice in bad weather off the coast, I suppose, and 33 or 36 feet is feasible for single-hand sailing when needed. I don't know how they sail, but their hull lines look pretty good.

Edited by - JohnP on 12/29/2008 15:09:18

Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 12/29/2008 : 13:12:22

Amazing space on those Nauticats for only 33-36 footers! I can very well see myself on that 36. For some reason these designs looks very seaworthy to me. The Cheoy Lee's look well made and solid but the Nauticats are made in Finland and I really like the full keel and protected rudder.

However does a Motorsailor tend to SAIL slower in comparison to a classic boat design of the same size? .5 knots difference is not imporant from my perspective (a small price to pay for the extra comfort).

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 12/29/2008 13:17:52

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/29/2008 : 16:14:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Blackburn
 However does a Motorsailor tend to SAIL slower in comparison to a classic boat design of the same size?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Definitely slower and lower. Motorsailers like that I've seen have been under power whenever under way--the sails should make the ride smoother and improve mileage somewhat. But for going places, they make some sense... You know how it is--when you really want to get to someplace, the wind is too light, too heavy, or on the nose. It helped drive me to the Dark Side. For sailing, I'll take a Sunfish, Laser, Beetle Cat, etc.--that's real sailing!

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 12/30/2008 : 16:07:30

I've been taught all my life that motor sailors are not seaworthy and it seems to me they've got too much weight topside and would capsize easily and not right themselves to well. Am I wrong?

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Deric
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Response Posted - 12/31/2008 : 15:04:11

Okay,, I wonder who got the Christmas gift boat,,,"ship."

I'll stay with my Catalina 25.
Happy New Year

Deric

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