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f_sondergaard
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Response Posted - 11/08/2002 : 10:33:43

Well, we finally have a promise date, (so he says) for our boat. It is suppose to be ready Friday the 15th!! Hopefully, we'll be sailing soon!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Response Posted - 11/10/2002 : 00:39:46

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We are at the point that our swing has to be replaced!! It is cast iron and has chunks missing!!
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Jason/Fran,

I'm curious about "chunks missing."

Was the keel defective and portions of it separated and fell off, was it damaged or just really rough from a bad pour when it was made?

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f_sondergaard
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Response Posted - 11/12/2002 : 16:59:26

OJ, we were told that "chunks" were falling off becouse the boat has always lived in salt water and the pour was probably done on a day when everybody had a little too much beer!! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
To our dissappointment, we found out today that the boat has not even been started yet!! We are gonna give them a little more time and if we aren't satisfied, we have someone else in mind for the job. I don't mind being patient, but its hard when you know that the boat is just sitting there and NOTHING has been done to it!!
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f_sondergaard
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Response Posted - 11/15/2002 : 11:07:01

Yeah, finally work has begun our our boat!! The swing keel has been dropped and the area prepared to seat the wing keel. I hope to have pics to post in a few days!!! Finally!!!<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/15/2002 : 20:36:03

Congratulations, Fran and Jason! (Even though I'm a little premature...) Two years from now you'll think every minute you waited was worth it--if you even remember the wait!

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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MattL
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Response Posted - 11/16/2002 : 03:20:40

Hey Dave,
I still have the dresser I started making for my wife the summer before we got married, 10.5 years ago. It is still in the garage. The top is done, sides are in process... She did buy one a couple of years ago to hold her over till it is finished.<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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FK/SR _/)

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/16/2002 : 10:07:07

Hey Matt... Are you trying, indirectly, to tell Jason and Fran that this could go on forever? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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f_sondergaard
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Response Posted - 11/30/2002 : 21:13:08

The keel is coming along now.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
However there was one problem with the keel, it did not fit as flush as the directions from Catalina said. There was a small gap (1/4 to 1/2) between the keel and the hull in front, and about a 2" gap in the back of the keel. Could be that our boat is older model and the keel was formed in a knew model.<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
Dave has done a good job getting the keel on our boat.
He advised us that we should have it by the end of the week. I will believe it when I am pulling the boat home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here are some pictures of the job so far

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 12/01/2002 : 17:11:13

Hi Val

You said that the keel exchange changed your boat from a submarine to high and dry. Could you explain this. Does your boat heel differently, or is it something else.

I'm in the home stretch in buying a WK/TR and all of the comments of how much better a wing is definitely influenced my decision not to get a swing. I currently own a swing C22.

Thanks
Frank Gloss

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tinob
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Response Posted - 12/02/2002 : 10:12:32

Hi Frank,

The submarine reference was an aside to the swings proclivity to sink. Prompting my decision to replace the swing with the wing. Calista though professionally maintained, sustained two unwanted swing deployments that opened up a P.O's. fractured keel trunk repair and the resultant influx of water had me scampering for the travellift on one occasion and on the other I found it sitting on the slip's bottom when I returned the following day. Fortunately it never went to the bottom but at the slip it took on about six inches of water in the cabin.

I likened the swing to a submarine because of the experiences above.

Val on "CALISTA" # 3936

P.S. I have nothing but high praise for the cat25 as a wing.

Val Bisagni

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 12/04/2002 : 20:01:27

Hi Val

Now I am really convinced to buy a wing, not a swing. My goal is to sail from Key west to the Marquesas and the Tortugas. I would hate to hit some rocks broadside in a storm with a swing. DIVE, DIVE, DIVE.

At least with my Catalina 22 swing the boat is too small to venture out too far, and the keel is "only" 650 pounds, not 3/4 ton. The swings still are nice boats though.
Still looking to buy a 25 swing
Frank Gloss
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Frank

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/05/2002 : 20:00:41

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Still looking to buy a 25 swing
Frank Gloss
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Huh??? <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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ronrryan
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Response Posted - 12/05/2002 : 21:29:50

Question: any rough estimate on what the shipping cost is from west coast to east coast? (just dreaming)ron srsk Orion SW FL

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 12/05/2002 : 21:46:08

Ron I believe Jason and Fran said the whole thing was going to cost the $3700, which I understood them to say was about the same as a replacement swing keel. The $3700 included the wing keel kit, freight to NC and installation.

Don Peet
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f_sondergaard
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Response Posted - 12/06/2002 : 07:59:20

Ron, if you have the wing keel delivered to a Catalina Dealer when he gets in a shipment of boats, the cost goes way down. Our keel arrived with several boats and cost around $800.00 for shipment. We didn't think that was bad! We had thought of having the keel sent to the boat yard we use for haul out and it was gonna be almost $2,000 just for shipping. The reason was becouse they are not Catalina Dealers and the keel would have been transported by itself from California. The time of year we ordered helped us out a little, becouse our local Catalina Dealer was receiving the new models for ther year. The job is almost done and we haven't gone over $3700 for everything. The wing keel kit, shipment, yard time,etc.

Jason and Fran
1982 C25 swing to wing

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tinob
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Response Posted - 12/06/2002 : 12:13:50

J/F Sondergaard,

Wow! The power of the internet pen. After all my bitching about the swings SINKABILITY and my abhorrence at Catalina's asking price of $1000 to ship the wing to N.Y. thinking they should have sent it free of any charge, kit and shipping . I was still smoldering when it arrived costing $150 to ship. I'm a little contrite now that I hear your wing cost $800 to ship. And the beat goes on.

Well no matter, it's only money. The pluses of the wing over the other thing more than make up for it.

I can't wait to hear from you when finally you splash the wing.

Val on "CALISTA" ( with two feet of snow in and all over CALISTA )
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Val Bisagni

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tinob
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Response Posted - 12/06/2002 : 12:16:31

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Still looking to buy a 25 swing
Frank Gloss
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Huh??? <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT
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Dave, ya mean like in whaaaaaaaaa?

Val

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tinob
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Response Posted - 12/06/2002 : 12:27:54

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Hi Val

Now I am really convinced to buy a wing, not a swing. My goal is to sail from Key west to the Marquesas and the Tortugas. I would hate to hit some rocks broadside in a storm with a swing. DIVE, DIVE, DIVE.

At least with my Catalina 22 swing the boat is too small to venture out too far, and the keel is "only" 650 pounds, not 3/4 ton. The swings still are nice boats though.
Still looking to buy a 25 swing

Frank,

Of course hitting rocks with any kind of keel is to be avoided.
It is important to realize that the most sensative part of the boat with either keel is the rudder. If you are in water thin enough to
bump the keel a hobby horsing hull will compromise the rudder. And if it should involve damage to the lower gudgeon, might cause lots of water to enter. A no no in any boat.

Val on "CALISTA" # 3936

Frank
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Val Bisagni

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 12/06/2002 : 14:01:22

It is important to realize that the most sensative part of the boat with either keel is the rudder. If you are in water thin enough to
bump the keel a hobby horsing hull will compromise the rudder. And if it should involve damage to the lower gudgeon, might cause lots of water to enter. A no no in any boat.
__________________________________________________________________

Wow Val... you raised a sensitive issue. One of the design goals of the C250 was it offered a beaching rudder (for extra dinero). It served two purposes, beaching without unshiping and forgivness.

A third generation has been required to correct C250 handling issues and you guessed correct if your thinking, it's not offered in the beaching configuration.

Catalina, while providing the 3rd generation "at cost" didn't offer to refund the difference between a beaching and blade.... win some-lose some.... dagnabit... it hurts to lose.

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f_sondergaard
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Response Posted - 12/23/2002 : 20:39:49

December 17, 2002 was a great day; WE GOT OUR BOAT BACK AND IT LOOKS GOOD!!!!!!!! We splashed it Saturday the 18 and put it all back together on the inside. It is sure great having a boat again.!!!!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

The work looks good so far and it is not leaking most of all. It took alot longer than expected due to weather and some other circumstances.

Jason & Fran
1982 Catalina 25
Swing to Wing

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Response Posted - 12/23/2002 : 21:11:01

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December 17, 2002 was a great day; WE GOT OUR BOAT BACK AND IT LOOKS GOOD!!!!!!!! We splashed it Saturday the 18 and put it all back together on the inside. It is sure great having a boat again.!!!!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Jason & Fran
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Swing to Wing
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'GREAT news ... and just in time for Christmas! 'Glad it turned out OK.

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 12/24/2002 : 06:19:52

Fran and Jason

Getting your boat back will be the best Christmas present Santa coulf bring you <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>. We can see it all over your posting! <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Hope you enjoy having a wing, I really like mine, and thanks for sharing your story as the work was done. It made a very interesting thread.

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 12/24/2002 : 06:22:09

Frank,

We know that you are interested in a wing keel c25, but perhaps an option would be to get a swing keel and convert it. Of course the cost likely increases, but that might be one way to get the boat you want, especially if the swing is "right" for you.

Just a thought.

Have a Merry Christmas,

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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f_sondergaard
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Response Posted - 12/25/2002 : 19:18:00

Here are the last pictures of the finshed swing to wing conversion.

Jason and Fran
1982 Catalina 25<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2cc04b3127cce9351798ec6410000001410" border=0><img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2cc04b3127cce93517ed586810000001410" border=0>

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