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Adding a spinacker halyard (and other hardware)???

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josh-hansen
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Initially Posted - 02/22/2008 : 00:51:33

I am thinking about adding a halyard for my spinacker, as I've been using it in races a lot. Is there a slick way to add a third halyard to the existing two? Or is my only option to put a block on the forward end of the masthead pin?

Also, what other additional hardware have you found essential when racing with a spinacker? Is an adjustable eye on the mast worth the money? Pole controls? Additional cars?

Josh Hansen

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Andy_334
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Response Posted - 02/23/2008 : 09:14:17

Josh. Not sure what boat you have and of the exact set-up regarding haliards. What do you have now? Main + Jib + ?

Essential equipment: lithe fordecker with attitude (and selective hearing) + athletic trimmers + attentive driver + practice + practice + practice.

That said, this is some of the equipment installed on Jalapeño (Capri 25)

Load sensing blocks - (like Harken Ratchamatic) placed on the outside rail just forward of the primary winches (Capri 25). The load sensing ratchet provides excellent holding power when you need it and a free running action during the dowse.

Tweakers with snatch blocks – Controls the shape at the foot, allows the foot to be choked on heavy wind days, and allows tweakers to be disconnected on light air days.

Light air and Heavy air sheets – In light air the spinnaker can be tender sail that needs to be inflated. Nothing screws up sail shape more that the sheets dragging the clews down. Similarly, in heavy air, performance is compromised if the trimmers can get a good grip on the line because is it too thin.

Depending on your typical race courses, yes the movable ring to adjust the pole height is worth it. Long reaching legs you can drop the ring to 3-feet off the deck for a powerful shape. Running dead down, you can raise the ring to about 5-6 feet for a much fuller shape.

The spinnaker can be a fun sail!

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josh-hansen
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Response Posted - 02/23/2008 : 12:26:51

Thanks for the info Andy.

The boat is a 82 Catalina 25 SR FK. Right now it only has 2 halvards, I don't think you can put a third set of sheaves in between the other but that is my main question.

Practice! There's an idea...

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/23/2008 : 13:32:49

I didn't rig my C25 for a spinnaker, but last year I rigged my C&C 35 for one. You'll probably get a response from someone who has actually done it, but, until then, I'll say I think you're correct that it should be rigged by attaching a snatch block to the forward pin at the masthead. The snatch block has to be free to swing unobstructed from starboard to port. If a snatch block won't swing freely, then you'll probably need to attach a masthead crane, to lead it forward of the headstay a little further.

I suggest you give Catalina Direct a call. I expect they'll know whether you need a masthead crane for the C25, and, if so, they can probably sell you one.

The following hyperlink will take you to a previous discussion on the subject:

http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16548& SearchTerms=masthead crane

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/23/2008 : 15:15:11

I'd be concerned that a block attached to the forward pin (where the forestay is attached) might wear on the stay as the spinnaker jibes.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/23/2008 : 15:57:50

There isn't much space between the block and the headstay, but there doesn't need to be much. When the spinnaker is flying, the tension on the spinnaker halyard will be forward, rather than down, so that's why I'm thinking it probably won't rub on the headstay.

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Carl B.
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Response Posted - 03/03/2008 : 22:33:32

Look in the Technical Tips section of this form and you will see a masthead crane someone made for a spin.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/04/2008 : 06:33:06

You should be able to put a swivel block on the forward masthead pin. The forestay should go on the aftermost forward pin.

When under load the block will swivel out in front of the forestay so you shouldn't need to be concerned about wear on the stay.

Take a look at my tech tips article about adding a spin to a C-25

http://catalina-capri-25s.org/tech/tech25/flywasp.asp

That should contain a bunch of info about control lines.

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josh-hansen
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Response Posted - 03/05/2008 : 01:39:51

Thanks Duane and everyone else! Very useful article. Had I found that first, I might not have asked the question.

Bungee for the fore guy is a great idea.
I'm going to try it without the crane, the less comtraptions on my boat the better (in my opinion).

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josh-hansen
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Response Posted - 05/16/2008 : 23:38:45

I've finally got all the hardware I need to rig the boat for a proper spinnaker launch and dowse.

Here is what I bought:
2x Ronstan genoa cars (like original cars)
2x Ronstan cam cleats for sheets, to replace old horns
1X Ronstan Hi-Load swivel/block
2x fairleads (one for near top of mast and other lower)
65' of 5/16 XLS line for halyard
1x Harken cam cleat with fairlead for halyard

I'm using an assymetric so I'm not running lines for a pole at this time.

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