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JimB517
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Initially Posted - 12/14/2007 : 13:36:28

If these were your requirements and knowing what I have done with my C25.

Capable of blue water offshore cruising, single handed
Capable of being competitive in races like single handed around Guadlupe Island (San Diego to 200 miles down into Mexico - 150 miles offshore - and back).
Capable of single handed Transpac
under 30 feet LOA
PHRF rating 150 to 200 (lower the better)
inboard engine (atomic 4 gas ok, diesel prefered).
no frills interior
standing headroom

Budget $10,000 to $15,000

I am thinking I like the 1964 Cal 30

Indiscipline 1978 FK SR #398

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/14/2007 : 14:20:20

What about the little Cal 9.2? As I said in another thread, I love the Ericson 28+ and there should be a bunch of them out there. How about Islanders or a Newport 30 III, the Newport might be too much money but a great boat.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/14/2007 : 14:30:16

Coincidently, while perusing Craig's List earlier, I came across a nice '79 Cal 34 for $16,500.00. Nice looking boat.

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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Response Posted - 12/14/2007 : 14:49:03

HANDS DOWN, I would choose the Columbia 30, The new one from Columbia in California is even trailerable! Not many used ones out there yet, But if your looking for a reasonalbly priced boat to meet your need look into a Ranger 28, it will fit your needs and cost fro, $5000 to $ 14500.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 12/14/2007 : 15:04:37

With the exception of your inboard engine requirement, I'd say Moore 24.

Hmmm... shorthanded offshore-capable racing boat... with an inboard engine.. under 30'?

IMHO: Best buy in the west coast market is a Wylie Hawkfarm. (28')

Here you go! http://hawkfarmsailboats.com/hawkfarms.htm

There's one on Yachtworld right now for $6K. It looks like it needs a little work, but if it's got a sound hull and rig, it might a good buy if you're used to doing your own work.

I've seen pretty nice ones go for $10-$12K or so up here in Eureka... including one that was all set up for the double-handed Transpac. It had every sail control imaginable and several sets of really nice sails too.

I think these boats go cheap as their cockpit is configured for shorthanded racing, which makes it not much of an 'entertainment' or family boat.

That said, I've also seen one set up with a fairly decent cruising interior... not opulent by any stroke, but still good for 1 or 2 persons. Most interiors are very spartan (though adequate for racing) inside.

Sounds like you've been bitten by the offshore racing bug.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 12/14/2007 : 15:56:19

Bill, I saw the Columbia 30 at my boat show. Its a beautiful boat, very hi tech. the cockpit is huge. So is the price!
I have sailed couple of older Newports. They are very capable, sturdy boats but dont know about racing em.
Steve A

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 12/15/2007 : 07:01:57

I have not looked recently at their boats but I always liked the Sabres. They are a bit pricey and would have to go back to the early 70s to get a 28 or 30 footer for $15K.

Actually, I have contemplated not selling my Catalina 25 but taking on a hobby project....build a small sailboat from a kit. Cheasapeake Light Craft in Annapolis sells kits and also have a course that you can also sign up for (at addl cost) that gets you to about 70% completed - basic hull done but then bring back home and sand it down, install sailboat hardware and complete finishing touches/paint, etc. Also, Shell Boats has some nice kits and they have a number of sailboat kits I would be interested in. The latest one is called a Lucky 13.

This hobby project thing may have to wait a few years or never happen.
I'm spread pretty thin these days as it is...and for now, I am happy with my Catalina 25.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 12/15/2007 : 10:13:46

That Hawkfarm is a pretty boat--looks like a thoroughbred. The LWL is short, but probably lengthens under heel. The spade rudder would concern me for passagemaking (too many stories), but the configurations I prefer (keel-hung or at least skeg-hung) probably blow Jim's performance objectives. I guess I'm the tortoise.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 12/15/2007 : 11:37:10

That Hawkfarm is purely amazing, I can't believe what you can get for the price. I want to get a ride on one.

Obviously this thread is partly mid-winter blues. In 10 years I am going to retire and sell everything and sail away with my wife - for the 2nd time. The question is, what to do in the meantime?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/15/2007 : 12:38:24

Jim: The Owner's History document shows one at Dana Point... Most are on SF Bay--a one-design fleet--and a few are in Hawaii. They have a pretty impressive record. (Only 32 built?)

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 12/15/2007 : 13:20:50

The fractional rig rates 168, the masthead 162, pretty respectable. I looked at that one on yachtworld, not bad at all. I could get her into my current slip. I love those wide side decks, 9.8 foot beam. If the prices are current on the website you could get a new one fully race equipped for under $26K (just add sails). I wish I could see the inside but I'd want to build my own interior anyhow.

Sails and a windvane would add another $10K at least.

I do beleive 28 feet is just about right.

Maybe I should just spend the kids college fund!

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 12/15/2007 : 13:35:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 Maybe I should just spend the kids college fund!
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There's a lot to be said for teaching the kids how to manage debt!

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 12/15/2007 : 18:18:40

At the time, I thought about selling my C25 and buying the Hawkfarm that was already rigged for the double handed Transpac. It's a 'serious' boat... pretty much the limitations are on the skipper.

There may still be one for sale up here on Humboldt Bay... I'll nose around.
Speaking of for sale, it looks like there's a nice freshwater Hawkfarm for sale in Sandpoint Idaho. Several sets of sails, instruments, inboard diesel etc. $12K. All you need to do is write the check and put her in the water.

www.sandpointsailing.com/docs/HawkfinSale.pdf

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/16/2007 : 11:21:51

I am not a fan of the IOR boats. How about a J-30?

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 12/16/2007 : 16:45:16

"I am not a fan of the IOR boats. How about a J-30?"

Find a good one for $12K ?

-- bb

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/16/2007 : 20:36:59

13-14

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 12/20/2007 : 15:24:07

IOR ?

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 12/20/2007 : 18:10:16

Internatioal Offshore Rules??? That's why Kansans aren't big fans

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/20/2007 : 20:30:03

IOR (John is right) is an outdated measurement system that measures waterline when upright (rewarding overhangs that lengthen waterline at heel), measures beam at the top of the transom (rewarding a severely raked transom so beam will be wider), etc. The Hawkfarm does look a bit like it was designed for IOR. The Js were all designed post-IOR, and it shows.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 12/20/2007 21:16:57

Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/20/2007 : 21:45:15

Outright racing boats built as "optimized" for the rule led to some pretty fast but unseakindly boats. They also had short booms for high aspect mains which led to super "J"s and poorly balanced sailplans where a boat essentially had a vestigial main. In fact, Jim I apologize for suggesting the Cal 9.2, it was one of the worst of the IOR rule beaters.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 12/21/2007 : 06:26:42

Being that I'm th enewbie around here, I don't know if my 2cents are worth a little less than full face value, but in shopping I kept finding myself drawn back to the old HR's. I came very close to getting a Hinterhoeller 28 (this one - http://www.beardofbees.ca/HR28/Home.html) which ended up being too much money for what herself wanted to pay, and I looked very close at a Niagara 30 - also built by Hinterhoeller in the latye 60's.

These boats stand nicely to the wind, feel very firm at teh helm, and are way overbuilt. At the same time they are reasonably quick (I beat a Viking 28 with a strong record in club racing as crew on one last year), and are capable for offshore sailing. Trouble is they are a little on the scarce side, HR is long gone, and they have a load of bronze and wood on them - which on the ones I have sailed has been lovingly neglected.

Engines on these was a lazarette mounted outboard, with a cover.

Standing heradroom might be tough.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 12/21/2007 : 08:57:35

Chris, I've come to learn that all are made welcome here from the beginning. The assumption is that while you might be new here, you've been around the block a while and bring other experiences to the table.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 12/21/2007 : 09:20:28

Thanks Frank - honestly I have much to learn, and I've only made it halfway around the block so far. I'm still in the sponging phase. I really do like the HR's though, although on re-reading the OP they may not suit the intended purposes.

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Winefood
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Response Posted - 12/29/2007 : 17:57:08

Hi,

I am the owner of a Hawkfarm that is berthed in Richmond. My boat is set up for racing as well as cruising. I would be happy to show you Sleepwalker if you would like to see a Hawkfarm close up. I can be emailed at winefood@sonic.net. You can see photos of my boat exterior and interior and other hawkfarms if you visit hawkfarmsailboats.com.

Cheers - Larry

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 12/29/2007 : 18:29:56

Google strikes again!

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1981capri
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Response Posted - 12/31/2007 : 11:20:12

Here's one at http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/boa/523354897.html

Sailboat, Cascade 29 - $13000

Cascade 29 Sailboat.
Bowsprite, Skeg Rudder LOA 31'11"
Less than 500 hrs. on the 15 HP Diesel Engine
Strong well buitl boat
Call me, the live aboard owner @ 971-235-7033 -Eric

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